PASSHE continues to drop

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Just a question...Is "Public Speaking" still a Gen Ed requirement at most liberal arts colleges? Perhaps I'm showing my age here but WAY back when I was in college every student had to take a 3-credit GE course were each student had to research and present several public presentations...Including the first class were you had to stand up and give an impromptu timed 2 minute introduction of yourself. If I recall correctly, there was also a colaberative group project were groups of four researched and presented on a topic. Not going to say it was the most important class I've ever taken, but it was dam close.

I think they do it now via TikTok.

Not sure. I had that class 20-some years ago. I agree it was a very beneficial class (unlike most of the required money-grab electives).

[boatcapt]

I think they do it now via TikTok.

Not sure. I had that class 20-some years ago. I agree it was a very beneficial class (unlike most of the required money-grab electives).

Hey mad...Hacky Sack 101 and Media Appreciation 101 were CRITICAL course in my maturation process (AND my GPA!!). Just as Twitter Posting 101 and Game of Thrown - Parallels to Current Life 101 are for current students!!

[Fightingscot82]

Just a question...Is "Public Speaking" still a Gen Ed requirement at most liberal arts colleges? Perhaps I'm showing my age here but WAY back when I was in college every student had to take a 3-credit GE course were each student had to research and present several public presentations...Including the first class were you had to stand up and give an impromptu timed 2 minute introduction of yourself. If I recall correctly, there was also a colaberative group project were groups of four researched and presented on a topic. Not going to say it was the most important class I've ever taken, but it was dam close.

Its increasingly common. Funny enough that 20 years ago as an education major that class wasn't required but intro to philosophy was. There were stellar students who upon student teaching FROZE in front of their classes. 4.0 all the way to the end then a big F in a 12 credit class. Yikes.

[boatcapt]

Its increasingly common. Funny enough that 20 years ago as an education major that class wasn't required but intro to philosophy was. There were stellar students who upon student teaching FROZE in front of their classes. 4.0 all the way to the end then a big F in a 12 credit class. Yikes.

Nack in the day, public speaking was one of the biggest fears for Americans. I would imagine if they asked students now, the number would be even larger. I've done some hiring and some of the people that I've interviewed for jobs have made me feel soooo bad. Obviously well educated people (at least according to their resume), but zero ability string a cogent sentence together. Either that or the other extreme were they talk to you like you are best buds in the middle of a Saturday night drinking session! I was having a bad day once and had a couple of interviews scheduled for the afternoon. First guy came in and the first words out of his mouth were "Hey Dude!" I politely said that I had heard all I needed to hear and had my assistant escort the "dude" out of the building!! According to my assistant, the last question the "dude" asked was "So when do I start?"

[shipfbfan1]

I'm surprised Cheyney is still hanging on. I thought by 2020 they'd be dead and under water but they've been better at managing their finances and resources at their disposal and if they can somehow continue to attract HS graduates as well as take chances on those who were dismissed from other 4 year schools due to low grades and help them steer straight they could see enrollment keep increasing topping off around 1000 students. Then maybe they can think of bringing football back within the sprint league where Chestnut Hill, Mansfield, Penn, Army, Cornell and a few other east coast universities play.

[complaint_hopeful]

I'm surprised Cheyney is still hanging on. I thought by 2020 they'd be dead and under water but they've been better at managing their finances and resources at their disposal and if they can somehow continue to attract HS graduates as well as take chances on those who were dismissed from other 4 year schools due to low grades and help them steer straight they could see enrollment keep increasing topping off around 1000 students. Then maybe they can think of bringing football back within the sprint league where Chestnut Hill, Mansfield, Penn, Army, Cornell and a few other east coast universities play.

They got a loan that essentially they didn't have to repay. As I understand it, West Chester helps them with some Administrative functions. That's too big things.

They did do some strategy shifts to more corporate partnerships so they did some good things.

But, they have like 600-some students overall. Hard to say they're thriving, but they've stayed alive atleast.

[Ship69]

Just a question...Is "Public Speaking" still a Gen Ed requirement at most liberal arts colleges? Perhaps I'm showing my age here but WAY back when I was in college every student had to take a 3-credit GE course were each student had to research and present several public presentations...Including the first class were you had to stand up and give an impromptu timed 2 minute introduction of yourself. If I recall correctly, there was also a colaberative group project were groups of four researched and presented on a topic. Not going to say it was the most important class I've ever taken, but it was dam close.

I'd have to look at basic requirements now, but pretty sure oral communications courses are required in many majors at Ship. Had two speech courses there as I was in liberal arts English and also an oral interpretation course. The professors at the time could be sharp critics, and it wasn't much fun getting called out for your errors in front of 20-30 other students, but it was useful. Where this has really dropped off is at the middle school and high school levels, where many students can glide through without doing much oral communication at all. I taught a speech course at an area business college once. Some of those kids hadn't the slightest idea how to speak in public or organize a presentation.

[Fightingscot82]

They got a loan that essentially they didn't have to repay. As I understand it, West Chester helps them with some Administrative functions. That's too big things.

They did do some strategy shifts to more corporate partnerships so they did some good things.

But, they have like 600-some students overall. Hard to say they're thriving, but they've stayed alive atleast.

They could get north of 1,000 if they added athletics. Just have to think of the university as more than a revenue & expense sheet. Let's say they award ZERO football scholarships. Outside of initial startup costs (assuming all equipment is gone), that's almost $2 million in tuition revenue and a 16% increase in enrollment just from adding football. Athletes are also more likely to be enrolled full-time and stick around - plus live on campus, so additional revenue there.

[CALUPA69]

This is hardly unique to PASSHE....

https://educationdata.org/college-enrollment-statistics

[Ship69]

Nack in the day, public speaking was one of the biggest fears for Americans. I would imagine if they asked students now, the number would be even larger. I've done some hiring and some of the people that I've interviewed for jobs have made me feel soooo bad. Obviously well educated people (at least according to their resume), but zero ability string a cogent sentence together. Either that or the other extreme were they talk to you like you are best buds in the middle of a Saturday night drinking session! I was having a bad day once and had a couple of interviews scheduled for the afternoon. First guy came in and the first words out of his mouth were "Hey Dude!" I politely said that I had heard all I needed to hear and had my assistant escort the "dude" out of the building!! According to my assistant, the last question the "dude" asked was "So when do I start?"

Surveys for years have found that fear of public speaking is one of the most common phobias in America. And it is no doubt nerve-wracking for many people to try to deliver an oral presentation in front of a group of strangers. That is why it's important to get students used to speaking before a class much earlier than college. I can remember giving oral book reports in fifth and sixth grade. For students who haven't given a speech before college, getting up in front of the group can be traumatic. Elementary school kids tend to be more fearless in a group setting and aren't as worried about what their peers think. Insecurities begin to develop during the dreaded middle school years and continue with social stratification in high school.

[jrshooter]

Try talking to most in this age group ... like freaking zombies. Their social interaction skills are on par with a chalkboard.

IUP's Homecoming Weekend was dead ... a shell of its former debauchery.

I think one point here is that Homecoming is not nearly as much of a "thing" as it was to previous generations. Heck, it wasn't a "thing" for us during my time at Ship.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I think one point here is that Homecoming is not nearly as much of a "thing" as it was to previous generations. Heck, it wasn't a "thing" for us during my time at Ship.

I never got it. But, it was a big circus here in my era.

I think it is much bigger in the frat world ... of which I did not participate.

[IUPNation]

Yup, comparing the location of West Chester with that of other state schools, it's small wonder that they're the largest by far. Philadelphia area vs. Mansfield, Lock Haven, or Clarion. Gee, I wonder who will get the most students.

[IUPNation]

I'm surprised Cheyney is still hanging on. I thought by 2020 they'd be dead and under water but they've been better at managing their finances and resources at their disposal and if they can somehow continue to attract HS graduates as well as take chances on those who were dismissed from other 4 year schools due to low grades and help them steer straight they could see enrollment keep increasing topping off around 1000 students. Then maybe they can think of bringing football back within the sprint league where Chestnut Hill, Mansfield, Penn, Army, Cornell and a few other east coast universities play.

[IUPNation]

I think one point here is that Homecoming is not nearly as much of a "thing" as it was to previous generations. Heck, it wasn't a "thing" for us during my time at Ship.

It was just the biggest party weekend of the fall at IUP back in the day. The stadium would be overflowing and students were out in the parking lot sloppy drunk. I have pictures from 1987 to prove it!