THE IUP Football Thread

[IUPNation]

Offset is headlining the Homecoming Concert ... with opener Young Nudy.

$35 for students. $55 for townies.

Who?

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Who on the board is making the trip to East Stroudsburg?

I'd like to go. However finding a tag-along for a 4.5 hour trip to watch a D2 game isn't appealing to most. I'd say 50/50 right now.

[IUP PSAC Fan]

Who on the board is making the trip to East Stroudsburg?

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Offset is headlining the Homecoming Concert ... with opener Young Nudy.

$35 for students. $55 for townies.

[Fightingscot82]

You just dropped a great point many don't know about ... President TItanic has blocked several high-profile transfers.

I won't drop a name, but I'm sure those following along this summer can figure it out.

On one hand, great, he's not allowing criminals. Tort lost a couple potential stud transfers to 'walk-on u' because the Driz said no.

It's amazing one 'state school' says yes and another says no.

And, yes, they've rejected a couple in admissions. Which ... is amazing. If you can spell your name the PASSHE schools will accept you.

For many recruits, team membership is the biggest part of the admissions process. If their spot/offer isn't guaranteed then they aren't coming.

From an admissions standard, they can't deny admission based on criminal record. Its state law about access to public education. But they can deny someone a spot in the dorms or tell them they can only attend online.

But for acceptances, its in the eye of the beholder. The bottom line is we need students. If they see potential for the student to succeed and are on track to have a HS diploma or GED, its likely they'll be admitted. Admit % is relative. All schools don't have the same applicant pool, so its not like Carnegie Mellon's 17% admit rate is from the same pool as IUP's 94% rate. CMU is desirable enough they can limit spots and make it competitive. Its likely that 99.9% of their applicants would be accepted to IUP whereas maybe 2-5% of IUP's admits would get in to CMU. CMU probably attracts a pool of almost all high GPA, high test score students where IUP probably gets a more traditional bell curve where the ends are mostly local kids with limited scope or mobility.

FWIW, Slippery Rock's admission rate is the only in PASSHE below 80%.

Admit Rate Source: US Dept of Education

[IUP PSAC Fan]

It's a hell of a record. Tort is a damn good coach. McCook at Shepherd is entering year 5 with 3 seasons accumulating at 30-8 for a total record (31-8 if we are counting the spring game vs Mercyhurst). Shepherd fans have been thrilled as IUP should be about Tort.

Tort is also the fastest coach in IUP history to 30 wins. IUP is lucky to have him.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Should be 20-1 on road was flat out robbed at Cal in 2018 to the tune the referee crew was suspended 2 games due the calls overturning 2 IUP Touchdowns. I will take 38-9 with garbage facilities and can’t get guys in admissions gang.

You just dropped a great point many don't know about ... President TItanic has blocked several high-profile transfers.

I won't drop a name, but I'm sure those following along this summer can figure it out.

On one hand, great, he's not allowing criminals. Tort lost a couple potential stud transfers to 'walk-on u' because the Driz said no.

It's amazing one 'state school' says yes and another says no.

And, yes, they've rejected a couple in admissions. Which ... is amazing. If you can spell your name the PASSHE schools will accept you.

[IUPNation]

They made a HUGE upgrade in that position. This guy should be a HC.

Now they just have to get Anthony Leonard back here (former DL coach now at Fordham). He should be the next DC.

Maybe he came because he is next in line…

[EyeoftheHawk]

They made a HUGE upgrade in that position. This guy should be a HC.

Now they just have to get Anthony Leonard back here (former DL coach now at Fordham). He should be the next DC.

This hasn’t been talked about for a while but I totally agree. It was already addition by subtraction simply due to the knucklehead “resigning” after his tough guy move that got him a set of matching bracelets from the law. Then to add Wilson with his experience and track record, he’s probably going to be the most impactful transfer of the off-season.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The Indiana Po Po probably helped remove the biggest problem on the staff…and I wonder just how much of problem they were and why the offense fell short so many times when they had the firepower.

They made a HUGE upgrade in that position. This guy should be a HC.

Now they just have to get Anthony Leonard back here (former DL coach now at Fordham). He should be the next DC.

[IUPNation]

The Indiana Po Po probably helped remove the biggest problem on the staff…and I wonder just how much of problem they were and why the offense fell short so many times when they had the firepower.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Should be 20-1 on road was flat out robbed at Cal in 2018 to the tune the referee crew was suspended 2 games due the calls overturning 2 IUP Touchdowns. I will take 38-9 with garbage facilities and can’t get guys in admissions gang.

The 2018 and 2021 games against Cal ... trying to totally block in my memory. Still painful. LOL. But, seriously.

Including playoffs, Tort is 19-7 at Miller Stadium and 19-2 on the road. Within those marks, he's 2-1 at SRU. Their hosting game in 2020 was cancelled so he's played up there 3 times and only hosted them once.

The last time SRU played here they beat the pi$$ out of IUP for the first two quarters. In front of any empty home side in the second half -- after a long weather delay -- IUP came all the way back and took the lead. If memory serves, SRU converted a 4-and-7 on the final drive and eventually scored to win. The next year, up there, was nearly identical.

[Ram040506]

Should be 20-1 on road was flat out robbed at Cal in 2018 to the tune the referee crew was suspended 2 games due the calls overturning 2 IUP Touchdowns. I will take 38-9 with garbage facilities and can’t get guys in admissions gang.

It's a hell of a record. Tort is a damn good coach. McCook at Shepherd is entering year 5 with 3 seasons accumulating at 30-8 for a total record (31-8 if we are counting the spring game vs Mercyhurst). Shepherd fans have been thrilled as IUP should be about Tort.

[Iupgh]

Tort's first year counts for Tort. Did he inherit a loaded roster? Yes. But, he also landed Max Redfield when every major D2 program in the country went after him. Tort was also the breath of fresh air the locker room needed after the more-dictator-type Curt era ended.

If you break down the Tort era (he's been here 5 years but they only played 4 seasons):

* Overall record: 38-9
* Playoff record: 2-2
* PSAC Title Game record: 1-0
* Regional Championship record: 1-0
* West Title: 1

Tort against top-level opponents:

Ashland: 2-0
Cal: 2-2
SRU: 2-2
West Chester: 3-0
New Haven: 1-0
Kutztown: 1-0 (KU's only loss in regular season)
Assumption: 1-0 (Assumption was 11-1 when they met)
Shepherd: 0-2
West Florida: 0-1

Tort's record against perceived top-level competition: 12-7

In Tort's 'big games', he's only really had no shot to win in just one of them (Shepherd game last year they got clocked in the third quarter).

Tort's teams have been incredible on the road, including beating the hell out of SRU in front of 9,000-some last season.

So, that's the positive spin of the Tort era.


Here's the negative spin on the Tort era:

* Many of his teams have really struggled inside Miller Stadium. They've won some really ugly games on their own turf.
* In his two losses to SRU, his teams got walloped in the first half. Both made incredible comebacks but no-showed the first two quarters.
* The 2018 team threw in the towel after the devastating 'Pick 6' loss at Adamson and got blasted at home by Shippensburg -- Ship's first win against IUP in forever. The 2019 team repaid the favor.
* The home loss to Cal in 2021 was probably the worst loss in Miller Stadium ... maybe ever. IUP was in full command of that game and was a dropped (wide open) TD from making it a blow-out. We all know what happened in the final quarter.
* The home loss to Edinboro the following week. No words for that one. Irv Charles didn't play and the offense then made the Boro defense look like the '85 Bears. Having the first two punts blocked -- a week after the punt block heard 'round the world -- was unacceptable.

???????Conclusion:

So, if you get in a DeLorean and go back to the summer of 2017 ... I think most would take the results we've got from the Tort regime. It's had its moments, don't get me wrong. His overall record should be better than 38-9. By my count, he's lost 5 games they shouldn't have. But, overall, he's running a smooth ship -- no player drama off the field, players are staying eligible, he's recruiting well, transfer dependency is way down, etc.

Should be 20-1 on road was flat out robbed at Cal in 2018 to the tune the referee crew was suspended 2 games due the calls overturning 2 IUP Touchdowns. I will take 38-9 with garbage facilities and can’t get guys in admissions gang.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

finally someone who comes back with some information and a point of view rather than "your team sucks". The record is great, there is no denying that, but lets look at the games that matter. this is how I see it, I'm not looking this stuff up just going by memory so feel free to correct anything slightly off:

Last 20 years - 1 Regional championship, with 2 appearances (maybe 3). PSAC West Crowns - 7 or 8 that I remember and 4 in a row at one point - pretty good
Last 10 years - 1 Regional Championship, 2 appearances, PSAC West - 3
Last 4 years (taking Torts first year away b/c that wasn't his team and I know that skews things a bit but this is the current roster) - 0 regional championships, 0 appearances, PSAC West Crowns - 0 - that's trending in the wrong direction

Over the same period of time there are others who have multiple Regional championships and West/East crowns. SRU/CAL/SHEP/KUTZ come to mind immediately, can probably through WCU in there. So you've been a good team, and have had a nice stretch of winning seasons, but you've beat the teams you should have and lost a fair amount against the top of the league and you've started to develop a reputation for losing the big game.

Tort's first year counts for Tort. Did he inherit a loaded roster? Yes. But, he also landed Max Redfield when every major D2 program in the country went after him. Tort was also the breath of fresh air the locker room needed after the more-dictator-type Curt era ended.

If you break down the Tort era (he's been here 5 years but they only played 4 seasons):

* Overall record: 38-9
* Playoff record: 2-2
* PSAC Title Game record: 1-0
* Regional Championship record: 1-0
* West Title: 1

Tort against top-level opponents:

Ashland: 2-0
Cal: 2-2
SRU: 2-2
West Chester: 3-0
New Haven: 1-0
Kutztown: 1-0 (KU's only loss in regular season)
Assumption: 1-0 (Assumption was 11-1 when they met)
Shepherd: 0-2
West Florida: 0-1

Tort's record against perceived top-level competition: 12-7

In Tort's 'big games', he's only really had no shot to win in just one of them (Shepherd game last year they got clocked in the third quarter).

Tort's teams have been incredible on the road, including beating the hell out of SRU in front of 9,000-some last season.

So, that's the positive spin of the Tort era.


Here's the negative spin on the Tort era:

* Many of his teams have really struggled inside Miller Stadium. They've won some really ugly games on their own turf.
* In his two losses to SRU, his teams got walloped in the first half. Both made incredible comebacks but no-showed the first two quarters.
* The 2018 team threw in the towel after the devastating 'Pick 6' loss at Adamson and got blasted at home by Shippensburg -- Ship's first win against IUP in forever. The 2019 team repaid the favor.
* The home loss to Cal in 2021 was probably the worst loss in Miller Stadium ... maybe ever. IUP was in full command of that game and was a dropped (wide open) TD from making it a blow-out. We all know what happened in the final quarter.
* The home loss to Edinboro the following week. No words for that one. Irv Charles didn't play and the offense then made the Boro defense look like the '85 Bears. Having the first two punts blocked -- a week after the punt block heard 'round the world -- was unacceptable.

???????Conclusion:

So, if you get in a DeLorean and go back to the summer of 2017 ... I think most would take the results we've got from the Tort regime. It's had its moments, don't get me wrong. His overall record should be better than 38-9. By my count, he's lost 5 games they shouldn't have. But, overall, he's running a smooth ship -- no player drama off the field, players are staying eligible, he's recruiting well, transfer dependency is way down, etc.