Football schedule vote

[MIAAWeekly]

I have it from a reliable (unimpeachable) source that this motion failed...

There will be no non-conference football in 2021.

[Predatory Primates]

So is this dead or not? Miaa site doesn't have a peep about it.

[GorillaBred]

I was responding to one plan that I deem unfair . A permanent division split where nsu is not in same division as either moso or pitt is unfair and biased. No matter what" our contribution"
. A rotating schedule is not a problem . Moso and Pitt are our closest geographic members andare we ever going to become a part of this conf if we don't form rivals. And trust me the nsu moso game will have some meaning next year .

And thank you somuch for reminding me that nsu has been bad.

The absolute simplest method possible of dividing up the conference--simply drawing a straight line from North to South down the middle--is unfair and biased? Especially when such a system maintains all of the natural geographic rivalries in the conference? If anyone is wondering how long it takes for a victim mentality to set in, just check on how long NSU's been at/near the bottom of the standings.

[northwest missouri state]

[the Northeasterner]

I knew it had to be in there somewhere.



NSU could have Pitt State and MoSo as crossover games for the first 4 years of this arrangement. The likelihood of any new system lasting longer than 4 years seems relatively low to me.

Keep in mind that even if NSU isn't in the same division as UNK, that trip still has to be made twice out of every six years (as opposed to 3 times out of every six years if they are in same division). Think of it this way, one time out of 6 years, NSU has to go to Hays and Kearney instead of Maryville and St. Joe. That's 7 hours total of additional driving every 6 years. 7 hours of driving (and the associated travel cost) over a 6 year time frame is the cost for the MOST disadvantaged school in this scenario.

Every other MIAA school could give NSU $35 per year and that would basically make up the school's travel cost (($5/mile x 70mph x 7hrs) / (11 other schools x 6 years) = $32). Even if you want to double my cost per mile estimate, that's still only $65 per year from the other schools. Obviously, I'm not saying the MIAA should provide for this sort of payment, but the de minimis nature of the inconvenience for the most inconvenienced school is the point I'm after here.

And, if the MIAA opening up it's schedule to non-conference games convinces the GAC to do the same, the result could actually be net less traveling for NSU if it gets th

And finally, I know you're an NSU fan, so sorry to be so frank about this, but in a football scheduling vote, I hope the other ADs/Presidents/whoever consider how little NSU contributes to the conference in football and vote accordingly.

I was responding to one plan that I deem unfair . A permanent division split where nsu is not in same division as either moso or pitt is unfair and biased. No matter what" our contribution"
. A rotating schedule is not a problem . Moso and Pitt are our closest geographic members andare we ever going to become a part of this conf if we don't form rivals. And trust me the nsu moso game will have some meaning next year .

And thank you somuch for reminding me that nsu has been bad.

[Brandon]

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[FlyinLion]

The shortsighted won out.

[GorillaBred]

GorillaBred

I didn't research the accuracy of what you wrote but just wanted to tell you that I enjoy that type of though process and really diving into the details.

Here are the two accuracy caveats ... 1) obviously the converting hours of driving to miles of driving via 70 mph is a bad approach. I should've just used miles of driving, but I had already closed the google maps tab where I checked the driving time before I added that part to the post and 2) I saw an Arkansas public education busing estimate of something like $3.65 per mile for HS athletics travel and adjusted that upwards a little assuming that it's a bit more expensive to transport college athletics units than HS athletics units. There's obviously some ballparking involved in that, but considering that these are marginal miles and not startup miles, I'm assuming that the cost wouldn't be meaningfully different. There's probably a more accurate way to get to those costs by just saying 7 additional hours of bus driver expense and two bus drivers, plus however many more gallons of diesel fuel and then some maintenance cost factor.

The place where you could quibble is if there's any increased cost for overnight housing. But I think the schools you're missing (NW and MW) are just as certain to have a hotel night as the schools you're adding (FH and UNK).

[Brandon]

GorillaBred

I didn't research the accuracy of what you wrote but just wanted to tell you that I enjoy that type of though process and really diving into the details.

[Predatory Primates]

It's vote day

[GorillaBred]

glvc division
pitts naia friend
baker
mo valley
neb wesleyan
northeastern st
central ok
lincoln
moso

controlling costs division
nwms
ps
cm
mowest
kearney
hays
es
wburn

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i give the edge to the controlling costs....lot of powers over there....very sec west-esque.

I really like everything about this scenario except that I would recommend dropping the conference championship game and just replacing it with an additional non-conference game.

[GorillaBred]

That's what I suggested yesterday:

I knew it had to be in there somewhere.

Geographically nsu wants the moso and Pitt if we are in a division. That nsu to unk trip is brutal

NSU could have Pitt State and MoSo as crossover games for the first 4 years of this arrangement. The likelihood of any new system lasting longer than 4 years seems relatively low to me.

Keep in mind that even if NSU isn't in the same division as UNK, that trip still has to be made twice out of every six years (as opposed to 3 times out of every six years if they are in same division). Think of it this way, one time out of 6 years, NSU has to go to Hays and Kearney instead of Maryville and St. Joe. That's 7 hours total of additional driving every 6 years. 7 hours of driving (and the associated travel cost) over a 6 year time frame is the cost for the MOST disadvantaged school in this scenario.

Every other MIAA school could give NSU $35 per year and that would basically make up the school's travel cost (($5/mile x 70mph x 7hrs) / (11 other schools x 6 years) = $32). Even if you want to double my cost per mile estimate, that's still only $65 per year from the other schools. Obviously, I'm not saying the MIAA should provide for this sort of payment, but the de minimis nature of the inconvenience for the most inconvenienced school is the point I'm after here.

And, if the MIAA opening up it's schedule to non-conference games convinces the GAC to do the same, the result could actually be net less traveling for NSU if it gets the right OK or AR schools as its non-conference games.

And finally, I know you're an NSU fan, so sorry to be so frank about this, but in a football scheduling vote, I hope the other ADs/Presidents/whoever consider how little NSU contributes to the conference in football and vote accordingly.

[Brandon]

Geographically nsu wants the moso and Pitt if we are in a division. That nsu to unk trip is brutal

Right

[the Northeasterner]

Geographically nsu wants the moso and Pitt if we are in a division. That nsu to unk trip is brutal

[Inkblot]

I'm sure these have been floated, but haven't seen it in this thread yet. How do people feel about an East that includes all the MO schools and Pitt State and a West that includes the other 3 KS schools, both OK schools and UNK?

In terms of travel cost gripes, I would think UNK and NSU would have the most to complain about, but at least for UNK, that's almost always going to be the case. It can be resolved in the near term by having their cross-division games include the nearer teams and exclude the farther teams.

In terms of loss of historical rivalries, I think the only place that exists at all is with Pitt State and the other 3 KS schools, but 100 out of 100 Pitt State fans would prioritize the MoSo and NW rivalries and probably a majority of Pitt State fans wouldn't have the 3 KS schools slotted any higher than MW and UCM.

That's what I suggested yesterday: