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Originally posted by wisdomgymrat View PostVery exciting time for TSU. Who knows for sure what is going to happen. I know I have been giving my side of things... there is a lot of haters out there saying this is a bad move, but Lonn and this dept. have been studying this since 2004. They are doing what they believe is in the best interest for the University.
Another note: Tarleton Prez is not done with Athletic Dept. facilities upgrades (and the BOR are going to help). More later.
Geeze this pisses me off reading this. Not that you all are getting help from the mother ship and your leadership should be congratulated for involving them. No, I ticked off ours just sits around sitting on it's thumbs and lets everything burn to ground.
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Originally posted by Techster88 View Post
I wonder when all of this shakes out if WT will look the smarter or the dumber for passing on this?!?!
im sure Herb Street has an opinion on this topic
Even the Power 5 Conferences have strong regional rivalries. In the Big 12, you can follow your team to most road games with half a tank of gas. Big 10 is a little more spread out but with the divisions and all you're still less than a day's drive to most of your division rivals. Same in the ACC, PAC12, and SEC in most cases. Sure there are schools spread far apart such as Missouri-Florida, but the SEC's bread and butter is the regional rivalries - Ole Miss/Miss State, Auburn/Alabama, Georgia/Florida, etc.
Division 1 is great unless it isn't. The WAC has been retreaded so many times it is hard to pin down what it is any more. It used to be a really solid conference. Right now it is just a name with a few misfit teams scattered to and fro. I highly doubt any of those programs would say "we are solid on the WAC and love our conference."
Would I have moved to the WAC from the LSC? I wouldn't have done it without 2 regional rivalries going with me.
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Originally posted by LSC Fan View Post
Anybody in Kingsville reading this? If W-Rat is correct, why isn't our group running the clown show down there doing the EXACT same thing.
Geeze this pisses me off reading this. Not that you all are getting help from the mother ship and your leadership should be congratulated for involving them. No, I ticked off ours just sits around sitting on it's thumbs and lets everything burn to ground.
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Originally posted by Herb Street View Post
Schools have to do what they think is in their best interest. Observations: I think it would be hard being in a conference where you have no natural rivals. When I was in college we would often jam into someone's car and go on the road to watch the team and like 8 of us sleep in a hotel room. You can do that in the regional conferences such as the SLC and LSC. But you aren't doing that in the WAC. I mean is Tarleton suddenly going to have a natural rivalry with...Dixie State?
Even the Power 5 Conferences have strong regional rivalries. In the Big 12, you can follow your team to most road games with half a tank of gas. Big 10 is a little more spread out but with the divisions and all you're still less than a day's drive to most of your division rivals. Same in the ACC, PAC12, and SEC in most cases. Sure there are schools spread far apart such as Missouri-Florida, but the SEC's bread and butter is the regional rivalries - Ole Miss/Miss State, Auburn/Alabama, Georgia/Florida, etc.
Division 1 is great unless it isn't. The WAC has been retreaded so many times it is hard to pin down what it is any more. It used to be a really solid conference. Right now it is just a name with a few misfit teams scattered to and fro. I highly doubt any of those programs would say "we are solid on the WAC and love our conference."
Would I have moved to the WAC from the LSC? I wouldn't have done it without 2 regional rivalries going with me.
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Not angry at all as it has less than 0 affect on me or my school. Is Tarleton moving up for the prestige of being a D1 school? I personally just do not see the benefits of this at all. And to the poster that made the comments about TV money, do you really think the networks are going to be lining up knocking down the door to get media rights for CSU Bakerfield v. Tarleton in basketball or in reality Tarleton v anybody? And it wouldn't be any different if I replaced Tarleton with ASU, ACU, WT, or any also ran program in the grand scheme of college athletics. These media rights are relegating those broadcasts to ESPN3 or ESPN+.
Again this move has no impact on my school (outside of scheduling) or my personal views of Tarleton, I for one just do not see the benefits and I hope that ASU does not follow suit.
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Originally posted by gruesome View Post
He'll be angry come about 10 PM Saturday.
Edit: Possibly earlier.
My opinion is that bigger is not always better, and D1 doesn't always improve your status. If like ACU you want to pound your chest about being D1, pound away, but it ultimately doesn't change anything about who you are. Much like ASU, Tarleton is always going to be a regional university with a student population who is mostly from the region that will have some good programs for a regional university but programs that do not stack up nationally. Being D1, you may be able to raise the entrance requirements a touch to hopefully increase the level of academic prestige you have as a university, but not enough to actually move the meter when it comes to academics. Tarleton, ASU, UIW, ACU will never have the academic prestige of any of the universities that they look up to. Tarleton will never be A&M, ASU will never be Texas Tech, etc etc.
I for one am happy that ASU looked into the move and decided at the time that it was not the right move. And I would voice my displeasure with the powers that be if a decision was made to make that move. Unless I am not seeing something obvious, I don't see the benefit.
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Originally posted by ASURAM2010 View Post
Nope, will not be angry about a football GAME being played by kids that ultimately doesn't affect me. Will I be rooting for ASU? Absolutely. Will I be happy if we win? Sure. Will I be angry if we lose? About the same chance as Tarleton winning anything of value in D1, nope.
My opinion is that bigger is not always better, and D1 doesn't always improve your status. If like ACU you want to pound your chest about being D1, pound away, but it ultimately doesn't change anything about who you are. Much like ASU, Tarleton is always going to be a regional university with a student population who is mostly from the region that will have some good programs for a regional university but programs that do not stack up nationally. Being D1, you may be able to raise the entrance requirements a touch to hopefully increase the level of academic prestige you have as a university, but not enough to actually move the meter when it comes to academics. Tarleton, ASU, UIW, ACU will never have the academic prestige of any of the universities that they look up to. Tarleton will never be A&M, ASU will never be Texas Tech, etc etc.
I for one am happy that ASU looked into the move and decided at the time that it was not the right move. And I would voice my displeasure with the powers that be if a decision was made to make that move. Unless I am not seeing something obvious, I don't see the benefit.
I know one thing, I will miss this board once it is all said and done. I was a user on the old site starting back in 2003. Lived through getting our butts kicked by Darnell Henson at Northeastern in Basketball, lived through the Steve Kelley run in 2001, and etc. This board has been a great part of my memories of the LSC and I have enjoyed the conversations on here.
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Originally posted by wisdomgymrat View Post
I would agree. I have been excited about this move, but also a little worried. We are just now getting our football program back to a National contender in D2, Basketball has been there for two decades, Women's golf has always been good, while our other sports are still doing "ok." Now at the D1 level it will be tough. With the continuously increasing enrollment numbers at TSU, it seems like the right time to make the move. Guess we will wait and see.
I know one thing, I will miss this board once it is all said and done. I was a user on the old site starting back in 2003. Lived through getting our butts kicked by Darnell Henson at Northeastern in Basketball, lived through the Steve Kelley run in 2001, and etc. This board has been a great part of my memories of the LSC and I have enjoyed the conversations on here.
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Originally posted by wisdomgymrat View PostMaybe Catatonic can divulge some benefits of moving up. ACU Men's basketball run was all over the news.
I guess for me, it comes down to be being a big fish in a smaller pond, or being the tiniest of fish in an ocean.
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ACU's situation isn't Tarleton's. ACU had an invitation from a D1/FCS conference that had several potential natural rivalries built-in. While it is a different footprint than the LSC, it is still very much a regional conference that is Texas/Louisiana-centric. Their travel costs likely didn't double or triple - most of these schools are a bus ride. Added to that, ACU is private and wanted the panache that D1 brings. It made a lot of sense.
Tarleton State didn't get an invitation from the Southland. It got invited to a conference that has obscure members in CA, AZ, Utah, Missouri, Illinois, Washington State, and one school in New Mexico. Those schools are members because they have no better option. Cal State Bakersfield's first choice is not to be traveling to Las Cruces or Stephenville. The WAC is an uneasy alliance at best.
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Originally posted by wisdomgymrat View Post
I would agree. I have been excited about this move, but also a little worried. We are just now getting our football program back to a National contender in D2, Basketball has been there for two decades, Women's golf has always been good, while our other sports are still doing "ok." Now at the D1 level it will be tough. With the continuously increasing enrollment numbers at TSU, it seems like the right time to make the move. Guess we will wait and see.
I know one thing, I will miss this board once it is all said and done. I was a user on the old site starting back in 2003. Lived through getting our butts kicked by Darnell Henson at Northeastern in Basketball, lived through the Steve Kelley run in 2001, and etc. This board has been a great part of my memories of the LSC and I have enjoyed the conversations on here.
I think TSU is skating on thin ice with regards to the student population growing and supporting a D1 athletic budget. The travel alone in the WAC will cost millions and I don't think the media money (as many have already mentioned) will be anything close to supporting those increased travel costs and expenses.
In the end, it's a D1 move for D1's sake. Lonn is now officially a D1 athletic director and will be forever enshrined as the AD that brought TSU out of D2 and into D1. How that fares for the university long term is anyone's guess.
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