Simon Fraser to cut football program.

[cwfenn]

Theresa Hanson is just plain LAZY and should lose her job, IMHO.

It may have been Hanson (maybe it was the SFU president, not sure) who said that SFU didn't meet the by-laws of other athletics organizations like U Sports and NAIA. Kind of odd considering SFU was a member of both organizations not that long ago. Did they at least talk to someone in U Sports or NAIA about a possible transition, and did they say no? Did SFU call the RMAC or NSIC, and did those conferences say no?

I get it that the SFU wasn't a great fit for the LSC. There were many travel issues and SFU has struggled to be competitive at any level in football. Oddly enough, their best seasons were in U Sports, the organization they seem to be avoiding like the plague.

I get why the LSC let SFU go in favor of a Texas-based university. I wouldn't be surprised if the LSC at least talked with some other Texas-based D3 schools in the future.

What I don't get is how SFU could go from announcing new assistant coach hires less than a month ago to mothballing the program. They seemed to have plenty of time to examine football and all athletics programs and make a determination about their futures. They had a full season where they could continue to play - the LSC didn't boot them immediately. If they still thought they had to mothball the program after the season, then so be it.

Concerned about CWU and WOU too - they're probably safe in the LSC for now since their programs are more stable, but if they get let go, then what? D2 football in the West, well, it's them and no one else.

[ASUPops]

To be fair the LSC isnt exactly on solid ground either.

All it takes is for Central Washington/Western Oregon to go NAIA or drop football and for anyone of the remaining LSC schools to jump ship for D1 and start a domino effect.

At that point the LSC may be begging for Cameron and UT-Tyler to start up football or the remaining schools like WT will be begging the RMAC and MIAA for membership.

So be it.

But, I would bet the house that the LSC isn't going a anywhere. A little birdie speaks of a FEW teams negotiating to join the LSC.

So, as I said......so be it.

[ASUPops]

I don't recall much trash talk by CWU or WOU. I/O has been blunt about his feelings on the LSC, but outside of him I am not seeing much.

"All you do is trash the LSC and Texas" was my statement to IronOre

[ASUPops]

It may have been Hanson (maybe it was the SFU president, not sure) who said that SFU didn't meet the by-laws of other athletics organizations like U Sports and NAIA. Kind of odd considering SFU was a member of both organizations not that long ago. Did they at least talk to someone in U Sports or NAIA about a possible transition, and did they say no? Did SFU call the RMAC or NSIC, and did those conferences say no?

I get it that the SFU wasn't a great fit for the LSC. There were many travel issues and SFU has struggled to be competitive at any level in football. Oddly enough, their best seasons were in U Sports, the organization they seem to be avoiding like the plague.

I get why the LSC let SFU go in favor of a Texas-based university. I wouldn't be surprised if the LSC at least talked with some other Texas-based D3 schools in the future.

What I don't get is how SFU could go from announcing new assistant coach hires less than a month ago to mothballing the program. They seemed to have plenty of time to examine football and all athletics programs and make a determination about their futures. They had a full season where they could continue to play - the LSC didn't boot them immediately. If they still thought they had to mothball the program after the season, then so be it.

Concerned about CWU and WOU too - they're probably safe in the LSC for now since their programs are more stable, but if they get let go, then what? D2 football in the West, well, it's them and no one else.

SFU should have honored their contractual agreement. There was ZERO reason for them to quit immediately.

Why not go Independent in '24 until you figure out your game plan moving forward. I have NO TOLERANCE for quitters.

And as stated, lil girl got her panties in a bunch and was all butt hurt and pulled a b!tch move to get "even". I would expect nothing less.

[QB11111]

So be it.

But, I would bet the house that the LSC isn't going a anywhere. A little birdie speaks of a FEW teams negotiating to join the LSC.

So, as I said......so be it.

Dying to know which teams. 👀

[IronOre]

"All you do is trash the LSC and Texas" was my statement to IronOre

You really don't get it, do you? The actions of the Texas schools and the LSC administration directly led to SFU cancelling their football program. SFU just spent millions upgrading their stadium at their campus, so this wasn't something that had been coming for a long time. The LSC put them in the spot of not being able to fill out a schedule for the team, so what were they supposed to do?

[ASUPops]

You really don't get it, do you? The actions of the Texas schools and the LSC administration directly led to SFU cancelling their football program. SFU just spent millions upgrading their stadium at their campus, so this wasn't something that had been coming for a long time. The LSC put them in the spot of not being able to fill out a schedule for the team, so what were they supposed to do?

No, YOU don't get it. And I am not sure why? You "seem" intelligent.

How many years was the LSC agreement with former GNAC football teams???

SFU made a B!TCH move.

Case closed!

[TAMUK09]

Dying to know which teams. 👀

The LSC isn't going anywhere, there is way too much history. The school presidents and AD's just need to be more decisive and have some guts.

They need to do one of two things.

Option #1: The most likely option by far is for them to hurry up about it and get Sul Ross into D2 and the LSC. Then find 2 Texas D3 school or D2 schools in Arkansas/Louisiana/Oklahoma to join the LSC.

Option #2: Get the state of Texas to pony up the dough for the Texas schools to move up to FCS and take the LSC name with them. The conference would likely lose the New Mexico and non-football schools in the process, and likey quickly. But the LSC might could get Abilene Christian, Tarleton, A&M-Commerce, and Incarnate Word back. Plus maybe Stephen F Austin and Sam Houston State. This option is probably very unlikely. But I still think it would be interesting. And the A&M system did offer to move Kingsville up to D1 a few years back. There were just too many strings attached to get the support of the Kingsville admin and alumni.

[KamolaCat]

I find it interesting that one of the solutions to the current situation is to move up to FCS, despite suspicions that some schools are not currently fully funding their scholarships and that WTAMU can not beat the D2 team that is being terminated.

[TAMUK09]

I find it interesting that one of the solutions to the current situation is to move up to FCS, despite suspicions that some schools are not currently fully funding their scholarships and that WTAMU can not beat the D2 team that is being terminated.

Hey, I didn't say the timing was great. It would have been better for Kingsville to have made the move 20 years ago around 2003 or 2004.

Hopefully Kingsville and West Texas are both on a major upswing and will be more competitive very soon.

West Texas mainly lost to Simon Fraser because the players completely gave up on the coaching staff at the end of the season. They have a new coaching staff and, from what I hear, some reasons to think they could get back to respectability soon.

[tsull]

I'm not sure who did what to SFU, I'll just speak for WOU and what a mess D2 is for the school. I know with the exception of men's hoops for a 10-year run and some minor sports victories, D2 has been a rough road for WOU. Women's hoops has had TWO winning seasons in 20 years, those were close to the turn of the century; they also had a winless season and a 3-win season. In football we've overachieved, but the ceiling is a winning season. We are at 13-15 scholarships after 20 years in D2. In 20 more years they'll be at 13-15 scholarships, the max is 36 I believe. It's a shell game, get this guy a Pell Grant, get this guy an out of state waiver, get this guy some other aid. Our admin just won't admit that D2 has been a bad move for WOU. Instead of correcting their mistakes, I can see them flipping off the alums and cutting football because we can't foolishly play football in Texas. Go NAIA and if our coaches and athletes want to leave, adios, have fun at your next job or team. Makes no sense other schools in Oregon can play football but not WOU.

For those paying attention, West region NAIA schools and their football scholarship numbers:

Eastern Oregon -- I've heard 18-20
Southern Oregon -- I've heard more than 20
College of Idaho -- NAIA max 24, obtained the first year they brought back football a few years back.
Carroll College -- 24 scholarships

WOU -- 13-15 ... what's wrong with this picture?

Men's hoop I've heard is at max or close to. I've heard all other sports closer to 1 scholarship than 10. This is 20 years into D2. It's obvious our alums/donors/boosters really aren't into D2 sports that much. It's not going to flip, we're not suddenly going to get 10 women's scholarships in hoops and compete. It's just juggling and trying to keep the balls in the air so they can be D2 and beat their chest, while EOU and SOU are NAIA. It's administrative ego, nothing more, nothing less.

[HardRockin'Nerd]

WT will be begging the RMAC and MIAA for membership.

Honestly, the RMAC should preemptively offer WT a spot. It's a great program and would go back to the conference scheduling we had when the team formerly known as Dixie State was in the RMAC

[ASUPops]

I'm not sure who did what to SFU, I'll just speak for WOU and what a mess D2 is for the school. I know with the exception of men's hoops for a 10-year run and some minor sports victories, D2 has been a rough road for WOU. Women's hoops has had TWO winning seasons in 20 years, those were close to the turn of the century; they also had a winless season and a 3-win season. In football we've overachieved, but the ceiling is a winning season. We are at 13-15 scholarships after 20 years in D2. In 20 more years they'll be at 13-15 scholarships, the max is 36 I believe. It's a shell game, get this guy a Pell Grant, get this guy an out of state waiver, get this guy some other aid. Our admin just won't admit that D2 has been a bad move for WOU. Instead of correcting their mistakes, I can see them flipping off the alums and cutting football because we can't foolishly play football in Texas. Go NAIA and if our coaches and athletes want to leave, adios, have fun at your next job or team. Makes no sense other schools in Oregon can play football but not WOU.

For those paying attention, West region NAIA schools and their football scholarship numbers:

Eastern Oregon -- I've heard 18-20
Southern Oregon -- I've heard more than 20
College of Idaho -- NAIA max 24, obtained the first year they brought back football a few years back.
Carroll College -- 24 scholarships

WOU -- 13-15 ... what's wrong with this picture?

Men's hoop I've heard is at max or close to. I've heard all other sports closer to 1 scholarship than 10. This is 20 years into D2. It's obvious our alums/donors/boosters really aren't into D2 sports that much. It's not going to flip, we're not suddenly going to get 10 women's scholarships in hoops and compete. It's just juggling and trying to keep the balls in the air so they can be D2 and beat their chest, while EOU and SOU are NAIA. It's administrative ego, nothing more, nothing less.

Based on your #'s WOU would be underfunded in NAIA compared to its competitors as well. So, is the answer simply D3?

What does D3 look like up in the PNW?

[tsull]

Based on your #'s WOU would be underfunded in NAIA compared to its competitors as well. So, is the answer simply D3?

What does D3 look like up in the PNW?

There is a strong D3 league in the Northwest, but they have an unwritten -- or maybe it's written -- no playing state schools and no state schools in the conference. In the 80's and 90's they had what was called the Columbia Football Association, all the small colleges in the Northwest, a North division with Washington schools and Simon Fraser; and a South division with the Oregon schools. It was NAIA and it was great, minimal travel, local kids had places to play.

One year Linfield (who would be competitive in D2) and Lewis & Clark (among others) raised a stink because CWU was getting really good and they didn't like them having state tuition vs. private school tuition, so they imploded everything by going D3 and then saying they will never play the state schools again. I was told by the people who made the decision that WOU was going to follow CWU and WWU (which no longer has football). They ignored solid in-state rivals Southern Oregon and Eastern Oregon, actually they think they're better than them. It's a weird dynamic that most people in Oregon don't know, and 99.9% of WOU fans don't care about and think is stupid to be chasing D2 sports. The problem is administrators think like administrators, they can't read the tea leaves. You'd think when they made the move to D2 they could look at two things: the THREE scholarships football had to start D2 and the tiny football stadium, which looks like a small -- not large -- Oregon high school stadium. Those two things should've been enough, right?

A former player told me he asked why did they go D2? An admin said scholarships. The former player thought maybe the NCAA funded them. The admin said no we have to raise the money. He said, "How are you going to do that?" The admin shrugged his shoulders. There was NO fund raising plan when they went D2. That sounds crazy for a college with supposedly smart people running things. They stumbled on the move out of NAIA to D2 and two decades later are still stumbling, but oddly they think this was the right move.

[Turbonium]

I just love the "not to be misogynistic" but... goes on to be misogynistic rant part of this thread. You always know it's going to exactly what one says they're not trying to be when they feel they must clarify it's not just that. Love you pops but this was a pretty bad take from a very intelligent individual. Might as well say fat white guys shouldn't ever be president because they are too emotionally unstable and cause people to storm the Capitol when they don't get their way. This idea that females are more emotional when it comes to decision making is funny when you look at the history of humanity.