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  • IUPalum
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    Re: Iup basketball

    Originally posted by Golden89 View Post
    One thing that has hurt Gannon is the Erie Bayhawks G-League team and to a lesser extent, the Erie Otters OHL team (especially when Connor McDavid played there from 2012-15).

    Both teams play at the newly refurbished Erie Insurance Arena -- it is beautiful and a few blocks away from the Hammermill. The games are as much about the atmosphere and entertainment as they are basketball. Their marketing is robust and and they cater to the families. You never see young people or families with kids at Gannon -- they are all down the street at the EIA.
    I don't think the Bayhawks or Otters have any effect on Gannon's attendance. The Bayhawks games aren't well attended unless free tickets are given to K-8 grade students. I think the Gannon attendance is down some because of the style basketball played there. Reilly will always win but is that style fun to watch for the casual fan?

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    It should be a good doubleheader tonight.

    I haven't heard much of who is playing or not playing for the Cal ladies. I assume that's being held pretty close to the vest. IUP can get a nice little lead in the West with a win tonight. Cal leads the all-time women's series, 45-36. Irish Tom is 2-8 against the Vulcans in his tenure.

    The men's game ... every IUP game this season is a thriller so I expect no different tonight. IUP just doesn't have the bench to knock teams out. It should be an exciting game. Cal is one of the top-scoring offensive teams in the PSAC (84.7 ppg) but also the worst defensive team in the conference (88 ppg). I'm projecting something around 90-85 IUP -- likely close in to the final 120 seconds.

    Bravado Joe is 18-6 against Cal -- including five straight wins in California. IUP leads the all-time men's series, 112-72.

    I'd really like to see Blake get going tonight. His minutes are shrinking and I'm sure his confidence is a bit, too. Two straight games he's picked up four fouls in less than 13 minutes. He's playing out of position but that's a moot point now. They need him. He can spread the floor nicely.

    Side note: Minus Indiana Borough, where is seems salt is banned, the rest of PA has pretty decent roads. Hopefully IUP gets some fans down there in the Viet Mon tonight. Plenty of good seats available.

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  • Golden89
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    Re: Iup basketball

    Originally posted by ctrabs74 View Post
    Is Erie keeping their G-League franchise? I know they're affiliated with the Atlanta Hawks this season, but Atlanta's launching their own G-League affiliate in Atlanta for the 2019-2020 season.
    To my knowledge, there are no plans for the G-League franchise to relocate. Erie's had other affiliations over the years before the Hawks.

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  • IUP CRIMSON HAWKS
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    Re: Iup basketball

    Originally posted by ctrabs74 View Post
    Even after three years living in the dump that is Cal Boro, I can't really recommend any good eats other than Dairy Queen or Subway - if either of them are still around.
    Hey, some of us did tell you to come to IUP awhile back you know.

    I recall the one local doctor telling me that he and his family were heading down to Cal for some sporting event and his daughter was trying to decide if she would rather go to Red Lobster or Olive Garden. The good doctor just broke out laughing and told her to forget about any of that. There's nothing there he informed her.

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  • ctrabs74
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    Re: Iup basketball

    Originally posted by Golden89 View Post
    One thing that has hurt Gannon is the Erie Bayhawks G-League team and to a lesser extent, the Erie Otters OHL team (especially when Connor McDavid played there from 2012-15).

    Both teams play at the newly refurbished Erie Insurance Arena -- it is beautiful and a few blocks away from the Hammermill. The games are as much about the atmosphere and entertainment as they are basketball. Their marketing is robust and and they cater to the families. You never see young people or families with kids at Gannon -- they are all down the street at the EIA.
    Is Erie keeping their G-League franchise? I know they're affiliated with the Atlanta Hawks this season, but Atlanta's launching their own G-League affiliate in Atlanta for the 2019-2020 season.

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  • ctrabs74
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    I'm considering leaving Pittsburgh a bit early Wednesday and heading down to the Angelo Dome. Looks like a good doubleheader.

    Any advice from you Vulcans on a good dining spot before the game? Is that bar/restaurant way up on the hill (overlooking town) still open?

    Two years ago I remember getting in to town late and grabbing dinner at the student union. Campus food has come a long way compared to the slop in the late 90s.

    I fully anticipate the men's game to be another tight one. Maybe IUP pulls away late. I've watched quite a few Cal games this year. They have some real nice offensive players who can score the ball.
    Even after three years living in the dump that is Cal Boro, I can't really recommend any good eats other than Dairy Queen or Subway - if either of them are still around.

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  • IUP24
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    With the number of students at IUP and the setup of the KCAC ... good lord... if the students cared, that place could be “D1 loud.” I always envisioned that whole end zone on the opposite end of the scoreboard packed with students standing. And then I alway pictured those first 5-6 rows on the side opposite the benches being the same. Giving the arena a kind of, what used to be, “Oakland Zoo effect.”

    There a few games that come to mind. SRU in the PSAC Championship was real good. It was real loud too. But that was just a few sections of students standing. Imagine that wrapped around the arena and that whole end zone.

    Could be a tough place to play.


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  • IUP24
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    I’ve watched a game or two at Bellarmine through their feed before. That’s the atmosphere every night there. It’s incredible. And yes, it’s a culture thing.

    Pennsylvania has a weird dynamic with the number major universities within a relatively small area. Like FightingScot said.. They root for a school they wish they attended while paying tuition and acting apathetic somewhere else. I’ve talked enough on this board over the years about the issues at IUP in particular, and what my experiences there were in attempting to change that perception in the student body.

    It’s alarming how bad the numbers this year are. They’ve never been good, but this is putrid. Games I’ve watched aren’t even getting that “IUP effect” on the gate when Joe comes to town.

    Even watching on the feed is tough. When you can literally here the coaches on the feed because the background noise is nonexistent, you realize how few people are there. You have that, “why am I sitting down wasting time to watch this?” moment when you realize there’s only 75-100 people even there.

    I don’t know what the answer is.


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  • Golden89
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    Re: Iup basketball

    One thing that has hurt Gannon is the Erie Bayhawks G-League team and to a lesser extent, the Erie Otters OHL team (especially when Connor McDavid played there from 2012-15).

    Both teams play at the newly refurbished Erie Insurance Arena -- it is beautiful and a few blocks away from the Hammermill. The games are as much about the atmosphere and entertainment as they are basketball. Their marketing is robust and and they cater to the families. You never see young people or families with kids at Gannon -- they are all down the street at the EIA.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    It's a factor in the total crowd but the students get in free. I'm not so much talking the gate but just the energy in the building.

    You've been to several games. Most have the excitment of a nursing home.

    They certainly need more townies to feel the place up better but the real juice comes from the students.

    IUP aside, if you watch the live feeds from other schools in the PSAC ... there's nobody at these games. This game at Cal tomorrow night will have 200 people, maybe, in a 6,000 seat arena. I was at Cal last year with nobody within 13 rows of me ... in front or back. It was insane.

    Gannon in the 80s and 90s ... my goodness. Place was a zoo. It barely gets 600 now.

    Clarion, UPJ, Mercyhurst, Edinboro ... the numbers are just awful. I try and hit 5-6 road games a year. I've been to several with 50 people in the stands.

    It's strange. At every West school (except the Taj Mahal in Indiana) it's a cheap night and a decently entertaining product.

    It is a culture. And that culture is at rock bottom in the PSAC right now. It's a shame. The kids are missing out on a good show.

    The KCAC just has that set up, sound system, a freaking bar ... man, could it rock if anybody cared -- or could afford to go. They've lost their minds.

    Believe me I wasn't starting the IUP rant again ... I was just really impressed with Bellarmine. Envious, I guess.
    Last edited by IUPbigINDIANS; 01-16-2018, 08:36 PM.

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  • IUP CRIMSON HAWKS
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    Re: Iup basketball

    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    I watched most of the Southern Indiana at Bellarmine game last night.

    Bellarmine is a really good team and won fairly easily against a solid USI team.

    The atmosphere is what jumped out at me. Packed crowd ... in to the game ... loud. Great atmosphere. It really felt like watching a D1 crowd. Students stood the whole game.

    They really get a legit home court advantage due to the '6th man' ...

    It sure looked a bit different than PSAC games -- empty seatbacks and wooden bleachers galore.

    They have an incredible culture there on game nights. We can't use the normal 'they're the only show in town' excuse, either, as they are second fiddle to Louisville.

    I'll just never understand why the KCAC can't get an atmosphere like that one. I know there's been a few over the years but way too far and few in between.

    The PSAC finals with Rock and Ship were great atmospheres. The SRU game three years ago was .. the infamous Gannon 'silent night' game was up there. Not too many others come to mind.

    That place was rocking last night.
    As has been noted many, many times on this forum--- the place to start would be ticket and concession prices. Many of the folks that I have talked to around the area want absolutely no part of what the KCAC is selling them.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Bart's post had some good points. It also got me curious to compare it to Pittsburgh.

    I pulled last years numbers. Robert Morris averaged about 1,000 a game. Duquesne was at 1,200. In comparison IUP did 1,500 a game last season but is barely over 800 so far this year. The other D1, St.. Francis, did about 850 a game. Not bad for Loretto.

    I agree on the culture. Bellarmine looked like it was the place to be. I don't know ... maybe that's a rivalry night and I tuned in on the right night. I get the vibe, though, that's always a hot ticket.

    Conversely, Louisville did 22,000 per home game last year. That's nuts. That's a basketball crazy area, too.

    It looked awsome ... like the D2 Cameron Indoor.

    Hopefully Pitt gets that atmosphere back again some day. WVU games are pretty nuts.

    The announced gate at Bellarmine last night was just under 2,000. I don't know how accurate but it was the energy that sold me. That would be a real tough place for visitors.
    Last edited by IUPbigINDIANS; 01-16-2018, 07:04 PM.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    I think it's campus culture. The level that students actually want to be there is correlated to the level that they support it. We're all little brother schools to Penn State and other perceived "major" schools. Students aren't proud to go here so they don't support it as such. Bellarmine students want to be there and they support the school. Students who would rather be attending Penn State cheer for Penn State while paying tuition somewhere else.

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  • Bart
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    The obvious is the population of Louisville can support several teams. It seems many small private schools get support from the faculty, students, and locals because their identities are tied with the school; something akin to local high school football. My experience indicates most D3 basketball programs in the area outdraw the D2 programs.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Re: Iup basketball

    I watched most of the Southern Indiana at Bellarmine game last night.

    Bellarmine is a really good team and won fairly easily against a solid USI team.

    The atmosphere is what jumped out at me. Packed crowd ... in to the game ... loud. Great atmosphere. It really felt like watching a D1 crowd. Students stood the whole game.

    They really get a legit home court advantage due to the '6th man' ...

    It sure looked a bit different than PSAC games -- empty seatbacks and wooden bleachers galore.

    They have an incredible culture there on game nights. We can't use the normal 'they're the only show in town' excuse, either, as they are second fiddle to Louisville.

    I'll just never understand why the KCAC can't get an atmosphere like that one. I know there's been a few over the years but way too far and few in between.

    The PSAC finals with Rock and Ship were great atmospheres. The SRU game three years ago was .. the infamous Gannon 'silent night' game was up there. Not too many others come to mind.

    That place was rocking last night.

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