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Originally posted by IUP24 View Post
I told BigIndians this a couple weeks ago when we were talking. The entire campus is dead. There's no life there anymore. There's no vibe. Off campus too. The areas which used to be littered with students in off campus housing: gone, empty, or just dead. The off campus apartments aren't filled. The spots on Philly Street, even through the week, which would get tons of foot traffic were lifeless. Nobody is there. It's almost not believable. You graduated the year after I did, so we were both on campus at the same time.
I was recruiting for my company at the Safety Science career fair back in September - I do this annually, and it's always a nice reunion and 'check in' to look at what's happening up there. There wasn't an in-person event last year, so it was neat to see what changed in 2 years. On that Thursday night, me and a couple folks were walking around Philly Street after dinner. We ended up going to Culps that evening. I wasn't looking for a college good time, but I was at least hoping there was some activity. Nothing. On a Thursday night. All those places where you'd see specials and bars overcrowded with people were just dead. Apparently 'Country Night' is still a thing, but everything there has changed immensely since we've graduated.
Enrollment there has plummeted. I believe it was my sophomore year when the high water mark for enrollment was hit (over 15,000). I can't find the 2021 numbers, but the fall of 2020 saw an undergraduate enrollment of 8,010. That's a MASSIVE drop. They aren't even opening up all the dorms on campus. I've also heard they are requiring two years on campus now, but I could be wrong.
I suppose that if you looked at those numbers and extrapolated those out, that kind of explains some of the phenomenon's we are describing. If you've got 15,000 on campus, that's 3,750 per class. That also gives you about 7,500 'of age' juniors/seniors who can go out to those bars on Philly Street, or throw those off campus parties. With 15,000 on campus, you have more to draw from who just might be interested in a basketball game on a Tuesday night. When you cut your enrollment that much, everything we're both describing comes to fruition. Philly Street's absolutely dead anymore. It's almost not believable.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
That's true. But, if you play and the school is willing to pick up the tab for grad school ... why not.
IUP has a football player next year who took a redshirt in 2019, Covid 2020 and took a medical redshirt this year. He'll be an academic senior in the Fall and a football freshman. That's crazy.
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Originally posted by hawks16 View PostSaturday was my first time back to Indiana with school in session (I visited with some friends over the summer) during the pandemic. Where were the students? I'm not talking just at the KCAC and the non-existent student section. I went down Philly Street to pick up a sandwich and pizza from Subs n Suds and the whole downtown was dead at 9:45 p.m. on a Saturday. Normally the weekend before a holiday break isn't a popular time to go home but dang...it was empty. Maybe everyone was studying.
I was recruiting for my company at the Safety Science career fair back in September - I do this annually, and it's always a nice reunion and 'check in' to look at what's happening up there. There wasn't an in-person event last year, so it was neat to see what changed in 2 years. On that Thursday night, me and a couple folks were walking around Philly Street after dinner. We ended up going to Culps that evening. I wasn't looking for a college good time, but I was at least hoping there was some activity. Nothing. On a Thursday night. All those places where you'd see specials and bars overcrowded with people were just dead. Apparently 'Country Night' is still a thing, but everything there has changed immensely since we've graduated.
Enrollment there has plummeted. I believe it was my sophomore year when the high water mark for enrollment was hit (over 15,000). I can't find the 2021 numbers, but the fall of 2020 saw an undergraduate enrollment of 8,010. That's a MASSIVE drop. They aren't even opening up all the dorms on campus. I've also heard they are requiring two years on campus now, but I could be wrong.
I suppose that if you looked at those numbers and extrapolated those out, that kind of explains some of the phenomenon's we are describing. If you've got 15,000 on campus, that's 3,750 per class. That also gives you about 7,500 'of age' juniors/seniors who can go out to those bars on Philly Street, or throw those off campus parties. With 15,000 on campus, you have more to draw from who just might be interested in a basketball game on a Tuesday night. When you cut your enrollment that much, everything we're both describing comes to fruition. Philly Street's absolutely dead anymore. It's almost not believable.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
LOL.
For those who haven't got to see any games yet (0-3 on video feeds) ... Bryce Radford is having a really good start. He's hit 4 treys per in 2 of the 3 games. Very long range shooter. He's officially a freshman but an academic junior so he's very mature and polished for being an R-FR. He's going to have a pretty elaborate scoring resume by the time he leaves town.
Shawndale Jones has picked off right where he left off from March of 2020 when they won the PSAC. He was a monster those couple playoff games. It's amazing they didn't have any attrition through all of this. My sister's wedding was this past weekend, so I was unable to really follow along with either of the first two games, but felt refreshing to listen last night. It had been 20 months since I had the opportunity to follow along, watch, or listen to an IUP basketball game. Almost two years. That's a long, long time. Really excited for this season.
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Originally posted by Ship69 View Post
There's going to be quite a few of these third-year freshmen in the league this season. It will be interesting to see how many of them hang around after their senior academic year.
IUP has a football player next year who took a redshirt in 2019, Covid 2020 and took a medical redshirt this year. He'll be an academic senior in the Fall and a football freshman. That's crazy.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
LOL.
For those who haven't got to see any games yet (0-3 on video feeds) ... Bryce Radford is having a really good start. He's hit 4 treys per in 2 of the 3 games. Very long range shooter. He's officially a freshman but an academic junior so he's very mature and polished for being an R-FR. He's going to have a pretty elaborate scoring resume by the time he leaves town.
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The most important news surfacing out of IUP is it sounds like the Hawks avoided a major injury last night. David Morris left the game early in the second half. Tony reported today that it isn't serious. The game was already a blowout when he got hurt so there was no point to risk anything. Sounds like he'll be fine.
He was away from the ball when it happened so I'm not sure if he just got tangled up with the player he was defending or exactly what happened. He was walking fairly normal afterward so hopefully it was just precautionary.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
LOL.
For those who haven't got to see any games yet (0-3 on video feeds) ... Bryce Radford is having a really good start. He's hit 4 treys per in 2 of the 3 games. Very long range shooter. He's officially a freshman but an academic junior so he's very mature and polished for being an R-FR. He's going to have a pretty elaborate scoring resume by the time he leaves town.
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LOL.
For those who haven't got to see any games yet (0-3 on video feeds) ... Bryce Radford is having a really good start. He's hit 4 treys per in 2 of the 3 games. Very long range shooter. He's officially a freshman but an academic junior so he's very mature and polished for being an R-FR. He's going to have a pretty elaborate scoring resume by the time he leaves town.
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Originally posted by Scrub View Post
If that's all true, what you're describing sounds frighteningly like NWMo last year. Several of the strongest guards in D2 (Hudgins and Bernard) and a couple of stretch bigs (including Hawkins, who is now merely averaging a double-double in D1).
You're not doing anything to dissuade me from thinking that WLU's travel coordinator better start booking rooms at the Hilton Garden-Indiana in mid-March. : )
Long way until March. I'm more worried about the West schedule this year. This is the deepest West in a long time. Going to be some wars in Jan/Feb. Gotta stay healthy, too.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
WL's press is much better than Le Moyne's -- and Le Moyne doesn't have near the quality shooters that WL possesses.
The post player problem IUP causes this year is they have two who basically can play power forward or drain deep shots on you. Demo is essentially a 6'9" guard but also an incredible rebounder. Porterfield is 5-tool. Then, the muscle comes off the bench. It's a problematic blend.
But, the real strength is the three starting guards. Shawndale, Armoni and Morris are pretty elite. They draw so much attention that the post players are having a field day. So far. Early, as you said.
You're not doing anything to dissuade me from thinking that WLU's travel coordinator better start booking rooms at the Hilton Garden-Indiana in mid-March. : )
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Originally posted by Scrub View Post
Thinking about some down-the-road-possibilities, I don't like to hear this. A 4-guard lineup with one SF + Pressing game plan = the same thing WLU would likely try to do if a Regional match-up were to materialize.
It's obviously WAY too early to be thinking about this--LOTS of basketball left to be played. But I remain convinced that the Region goes through the KCAC this year. So anyone with hopes of competing in the Region will need to figure out how to deal with IUP.
Meanwhile, WLU first has to figure out how to win a tough one in Johnstown tonight.
WL's press is much better than Le Moyne's -- and Le Moyne doesn't have near the quality shooters that WL possesses.
The post player problem IUP causes this year is they have two who basically can play power forward or drain deep shots on you. Demo is essentially a 6'9" guard but also an incredible rebounder. Porterfield is 5-tool. Then, the muscle comes off the bench. It's a problematic blend.
But, the real strength is the three starting guards. Shawndale, Armoni and Morris are pretty elite. They draw so much attention that the post players are having a field day. So far. Early, as you said.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Le Moyne will win a lot of games this year. So, it will be a quality win down the road. They just got overpowered last night -- right from the start. Playing this Joe team with a 4-guard lineup and 1 SF is recipe for disaster. They stayed in their press most of the night which was useless.
It's obviously WAY too early to be thinking about this--LOTS of basketball left to be played. But I remain convinced that the Region goes through the KCAC this year. So anyone with hopes of competing in the Region will need to figure out how to deal with IUP.
Meanwhile, WLU first has to figure out how to win a tough one in Johnstown tonight.
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