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[WarriorVoice]

No one has said that players don't want to play in front of fans. ADs schedule games when they can and take many things into consideration, but obviously your feelings aren't among them.

[bballfan03]

If you believe that, then you are as dumb as the moron that runs this conference!

If IUP decided they weren't going to allow anyone aside from game personnel into the gym for basketball any more.. you really think top recruits are going to keep coming? Rather than go somewhere they can win and play in front of people?

[IUPalum]

If you believe that, then you are as dumb as the moron that runs this conference!

[bballfan03]

Hmm It started as "IUP should play games in front of fans". How did Duke get involved? You guys sure like to move goalposts instead of admitting you might be wrong...

i've not said anything about any specific school (until Duke). I used Duke to make the point.. if a school or conference made games played just "for the student-athletes" (and no fans/parents/others outside of personnel allowed) that school's or conference's teams would lose players quickly.

So, yes, at the root it - competitions are for the athletes. The athletes, however, don't want to play the majority of their games in front of 100 people if they can go elsewhere and play in front of 3,000 regularly.

[Ship69]

I’m not normally one to defend PSU but they’re far from the only school dissatisfied with the B1G’s new TV deal. A lot of what I’ve read online says that the former commissioner, Kevin Warren, negotiated the new NBC portions of the deal without talking to his ADs about important details like the Friday Peacock games and then conveniently ran away to become president of the Chicago Bears before that dissatisfaction came out. PSU actually did a lot to try and keep things together by agreeing to play on Black Friday last year and AFAIK them and Oregon are the only marquee B1G (lol) programs to play on Friday night so far. Well I guess USC did too but they haven’t won squat in over a decade so I don’t really consider them marquee anymore.

Penn State has been complaining about one thing or another since they joined the league more than 30 years ago. The situation is what they and their fellow football factories have created. If you want the network money, you take the terms of the deal with the network. If it's a problem, find a better deal — maybe even one that doesn't require your fans to pay a small fortune to watch a college football game. They've been sending out surveys to some season ticket holders recently, and some of the price points they're discussing for different ticket options are astounding.

[WarriorVoice]

This logic is why our athletic departments are all broke.

Ask an AD to explain it to you.

[WarriorVoice]

No one is arguing your eye level statement. What were saying is if Duke decided to no longer let any fans in the arena and not televise games.. and their teams have to play in front of just game day staff... Duke would lose a lot of good recruits.

Hmm It started as "IUP should play games in front of fans". How did Duke get involved? You guys sure like to move goalposts instead of admitting you might be wrong...

[TheBigCat2192]

Soooo much whining from Penn State followers about the noon kickoff with Ohio State and then having their precious whiteout game moved to Peacock. All these football factories want the millions of dollars they can get from the gigantic TV deals so they can lord it over the common football folk, but they don't want to live with the consequences, which are that the people spending all that money want to call the shots. The Big 10 wouldn't have been able to add Oregon and Washington without extra bucks thrown in by Fox Sports. Can you imagine the revolution if would make in any of our PSAC athletic departments if we got the gate receipts from even one Penn State game?

My brother, a long-time PSU season ticket holder, has about had it with the constant requests for more money on top of the thousands he has already paid them. When you're paying that much to be involved in a football program, the "but the other school has more" argument will only go so far.

I’m not normally one to defend PSU but they’re far from the only school dissatisfied with the B1G’s new TV deal. A lot of what I’ve read online says that the former commissioner, Kevin Warren, negotiated the new NBC portions of the deal without talking to his ADs about important details like the Friday Peacock games and then conveniently ran away to become president of the Chicago Bears before that dissatisfaction came out. PSU actually did a lot to try and keep things together by agreeing to play on Black Friday last year and AFAIK them and Oregon are the only marquee B1G (lol) programs to play on Friday night so far. Well I guess USC did too but they haven’t won squat in over a decade so I don’t really consider them marquee anymore.

[Ship69]

I felt awful for the Washington Huskies having to play at Penn State last night. Those poor student athletes from both sides had to stay up late just to appease network TV. I hope their academics don't suffer.


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Soooo much whining from Penn State followers about the noon kickoff with Ohio State and then having their precious whiteout game moved to Peacock. All these football factories want the millions of dollars they can get from the gigantic TV deals so they can lord it over the common football folk, but they don't want to live with the consequences, which are that the people spending all that money want to call the shots. The Big 10 wouldn't have been able to add Oregon and Washington without extra bucks thrown in by Fox Sports. Can you imagine the revolution if would make in any of our PSAC athletic departments if we got the gate receipts from even one Penn State game?

My brother, a long-time PSU season ticket holder, has about had it with the constant requests for more money on top of the thousands he has already paid them. When you're paying that much to be involved in a football program, the "but the other school has more" argument will only go so far.

[bballfan03]

No one is doubting that. It doesn't negate my point. The competitions are for the competitors...

No one is arguing your eye level statement. What were saying is if Duke decided to no longer let any fans in the arena and not televise games.. and their teams have to play in front of just game day staff... Duke would lose a lot of good recruits.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

No one is doubting that. It doesn't negate my point. The competitions are for the competitors...

This logic is why our athletic departments are all broke.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Way too simple. If the competitions are just for the competitors, then NOBODY but family shows up.

I felt awful for the Washington Huskies having to play at Penn State last night. Those poor student athletes from both sides had to stay up late just to appease network TV. I hope their academics don't suffer.


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[jrshooter]

No one is doubting that. It doesn't negate my point. The competitions are for the competitors...

Way too simple. If the competitions are just for the competitors, then NOBODY but family shows up.

[WarriorVoice]

That may be, but I'll venture a guess that if you ask the players weather they want to play in an 80% empty arena or a full gym with loud fans...they will pick the latter 10 times out of 10.

No one is doubting that. It doesn't negate my point. The competitions are for the competitors...

[boatcapt]

I agree. Although they played in front of absolutely nobody during COVID, I know many college athletes said the arenas being empty lessened momentum runs and that they get fueled by the crowd energy.

I think the crowd plays an important part in how a team plays. A loud, raucus home crowd in a packed gym can elevate a team to new heights while demoralizing their opponents. That said, I believe that crowd inspired performance gain is relatively minor...but in a close game, that minor performance improvement can be enough to get a team over the top!

So, in short, the 6th man effect is real, but not as real as fans want it to be.