Alderson Broaddus Basketball

[WVFanatic]

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Getting Wade back would be a big help especially from a depth stand point. Not sure he will come back as strong as he was before the injury. Jackson is very intriguing to me...seems super athletic and knocked down a jumper that he seemed confident in. Hopefully he learns the system or does what he needs to in order to be a factor down the stretch. Haven't seen Butler or AJ Robinson as of late either. Overheard some people at last nights game that the three women's players were academic casualties. Hate to hear that if it's true

[ABjo]

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Final. AB 83 - OVU 65

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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That's an interesting post (above) in regard to the ref situation.

After seeing AB play in our gym ... it doesn't totally shock me. Typically after a post like that my initial response would be something along the lines of sour grapes.

Having seen the AB coach on the sidelines ... having an 'outsider' crew hammer him doesn't totally shock me. I made the comment after the IUP game that I was shocked none of his own players have never knocked him out during a game.

I know he's successful ... probably a great guy off the court. But, based on some of his antics and sideline behavior ... a 'homer job' doesn't surprise me in the least. I know that's not fair to the players or to the school or to the coach himself. But, I'm not naive enough to think that stuff doesn't happen.

I think there is a very fine line in the politics of the coach / referee relationship. There is arguing and there is insulting/disrespecting/being-a-jerk. My hunch would be his reputation is pretty well known among the referee circles.

AB played very well in Indiana. To be fair, the ending was pretty controversial. Had he not been an a$$ the whole game up here ... does he get the big call at the end ... probably. The technical he had coming. That was the ref putting the icing on the cake.

Again .. not saying it's right or fair ... just saying that's reality. Refs can call fouls pretty much on every play if they want to. There's no instant replay in D2. If they get to the point of wanting to 'give it to' a coach ... well ... I think you just saw what happens. The kids pay the price.

This isn't meant to be a trolling type post or anything. I watch a lot of basketball at the D2 level. Your guy just hammers refs. My point is from a non-AB point of view, what you are saying comes across as believable to me.

[kwcpantherfan]

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That's an interesting post (above) in regard to the ref situation.

After seeing AB play in our gym ... it doesn't totally shock me. Typically after a post like that my initial response would be something along the lines of sour grapes.

Having seen the AB coach on the sidelines ... having an 'outsider' crew hammer him doesn't totally shock me. I made the comment after the IUP game that I was shocked none of his own players have never knocked him out during a game.

I know he's successful ... probably a great guy off the court. But, based on some of his antics and sideline behavior ... a 'homer job' doesn't surprise me in the least. I know that's not fair to the players or to the school or to the coach himself. But, I'm not naive enough to think that stuff doesn't happen.

I think there is a very fine line in the politics of the coach / referee relationship. There is arguing and there is insulting/disrespecting/being-a-jerk. My hunch would be his reputation is pretty well known among the referee circles.

AB played very well in Indiana. To be fair, the ending was pretty controversial. Had he not been an a$$ the whole game up here ... does he get the big call at the end ... probably. The technical he had coming. That was the ref putting the icing on the cake.

Again .. not saying it's right or fair ... just saying that's reality. Refs can call fouls pretty much on every play if they want to. There's no instant replay in D2. If they get to the point of wanting to 'give it to' a coach ... well ... I think you just saw what happens. The kids pay the price.

This isn't meant to be a trolling type post or anything. I watch a lot of basketball at the D2 level. Your guy just hammers refs. My point is from a non-AB point of view, what you are saying comes across as believable to me.

Having sat behind the AB bench during their second round G-MAC game last year, I would say this is fairly spot on. Zimmerman is similar to a Scotty Davenport in his sideline disposition (though Scotty is definitely much worse overall, especially in how animated he gets, not to mention how red his face turns). In fact, I witnessed the coach and a lady (I assume it was his wife, but don't KNOW that) get into a very heated discussion with a league official due to the lady's over the top berating of the officials, ending with Zimmerman yelling "I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE!" in the guy's face.

Dude is also much like Scotty D in how he screams at his players when they goof up. Old school coaching style, I guess. He's been very successful, obviously, and he might be the nicest guy in the world off the court - I have no idea.

All that said, I don't know how much that behavior really affects how the refs call a game. I guess it depends on the refs. I've seen times when Davenport would be going absolutely King-Kong ape#@$& at a ref and then start getting every call from there on out.

[ABjo]

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Zimmerman is a good coach and gets results. That said, I've never liked his demeanor. I like a coach that builds his players up, not beats them down. Just an honest opinion from an AB fan.

[Looking For 9]

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I am sure he does both but not every team reacts, to his style, the way his last couple of teams did. I think there have been times this year yhst he impeded their performance.

[WVFanatic]

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I too am surprised a player hasn't went after him yet. I'm just as surprised he hasn't been thrown out of a game. Can't argue and say his style doesn't work. Most of his teams respond to his style of coaching. Seems like this years team isn't one of them.

I remember reading some of the posts maybe back in the summer about Zimmerman retiring. JDon and ABjo, who do you think would be some candidates to replace him?

[ABjo]

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I too am surprised a player hasn't went after him yet. I'm just as surprised he hasn't been thrown out of a game. Can't argue and say his style doesn't work. Most of his teams respond to his style of coaching. Seems like this years team isn't one of them.

I remember reading some of the posts maybe back in the summer about Zimmerman retiring. JDon and ABjo, who do you think would be some candidates to replace him?

I think you have to assume that, assistant, Duncan Williams would be on the short list. Past that, I haven't a clue. Although, personally, I'd really like to have Glenville's coach.

[WVFanatic]

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Dye could be a good fit but would he leave Glenville? Beautiful facility and a donor that keeps those programs going. What ever happened to Zimmerman's assistant back when they were winning WVIAC titles? Washington?

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Glenville is a tough job in basketball ... You're odds of winning a conference aren't too hot with playing West Liberty, Wheeling Jesuit and Fairmont State six times a year. He's done well keeping them fairly competitive.

[ABjo]

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Final. AB 76 - TNU 61

[JDonAB92]

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Zimmerman looked alright to me tonight.

I take nothing away from Trevecca. This is a good road win. Our travel was even longer yesterday because our guys sat in traffic outside of Nashville for quite some time. I didn't think we played our best especially to start the game. But we are 4-0 in the league and we are 6-1 against D2 teams since Bocook became eligible at the semester. At this point, I could care less about what happened in November and early December. Bocook had 16 points, 15 rebounds and 4 assists, and I really have seen him play better offensively. The kid is a real talent as a freshman. He is averaging 16 and 10 and generally guards the other team's top player. I think Cooper can play better and will. Foster had a big game tonight which means he will probably not score Saturday. We can't help Wade and Simmons got hurt. Other guys have been stepping up. We have won all four G-MAC games in double-digits now. That Shepherd road win is looking real good. They gave #2 Fairmont all they wanted before losing by 5. Our young players saw a great team in Wheeling and have learned since. Let's also remember that the starting five we have had this semester only had three starts in a D2 game prior to this season....that is all five players combined. Bumps happen when you are that inexperienced. But we are in a nice stretch of double-digit wins.

I only saw Kentucky Wesleyan twice. I never saw a full game. I did see them play the 2nd half against Cedarville. It was a 70-66 game with three minutes to play. Cedarville made a stop and their big got a rebound. Unfortunately for them, his guards took off up the court and he traveled with the ball. I just remember the Cedarville announcer screaming at their guards. The game seemed to unravel at that point for Cedarville. If memory serves me correctly, it was a pretty close game until that point. I concede nothing to any one. We play three of our final four G-MAC games at Rex Pyles in February. Things will get interesting then.

As far as Zimmerman, the guy made a lot of personal sacrifices for his alma mater....at a time when his alma mater needed some immediate help. Greg was an extremely successful high school coach in Ohio but left it to work in the private sector. He took a serious pay cut for the past 15 years to work and coach is tail off at AB. He took over a team that finished 10th the year before. And there were more problems than finishing 10th in the league. The previous coach left at the start of October. It was a complete mess. Greg took over after the first week of practice. The leading scorer the 1st semester became ineligible. Greg just took that situation and led them that year to a WVIAC championship and NCAA bid where they almost pulled off a huge upset over a nationally ranked team.

But there is a reason that Greg's former players come back to work for him. Not because he chewed them out in games (and yes he is overboard at times). But behind the scenes, Greg treats his players right and has GRADUATED some good ones. When he recruited Kurklin Bohanon out of JUCO, he knew the kid could not graduate in two years. He promised Kurklin that he would put him on scholarship for a third year so he could graduate as long as Kurklin went to class his first two years. Greg lived up to his word and Kurklin graduated in year three. He is better off for it. Most coaches would not put a guy on a full ride after he exhausted his eligibility. Malcolm Tatum, Tobias Dowdell, Ron Miller....all sit on the bench now after graduating and taking azz chewins. But why do they come back after "being treated like that". Dye did the same thing. Clancy did too. You won't find a classier dude than Clancy. He took some butt chewins. But he came back for two years to coach with Greg. Players don't play hard for a guy they hate. Our guys play hard. Kline said in the Charleston paper that he loved playing for Zimm and loved being pushed. He is an assistant at Winfield now.

He also is very upfront with players when he recruits them. He tells them straight up how he is. He has current players talk to recruits to affirm that he isn't a bed of roses to deal with. So it isn't like he lies to them. I understand where AB fans come from in their criticisms of them. It can paint a bad picture. But he does a lot for these guys behind the scenes. His players come back to school and to games. I have seen that since 2003. I rarely, if at all, saw it from the Dodd, Brinkley and Vincent players. As far as one of his players challenging him, they know up front what they are getting.

He has his faults and shortcomings, no doubt. I have a lot too. But I deep down know how he treats players off the court. Some guys are just different when the lights come on. Barksdale was the same type of coach at AB. But Barksdale got so much out of every player he coached. He was crazy on the court. But his former players speak so much praise of him.

[JDonAB92]

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I forgot to say a big congrats to the women the other night for a great win. 13-2 run to end the game sent it to overtime. Lorin Clark scored 8 of her 10 pts in the last two minutes and in overtime. She currently leads the NCAA in assists per game at 7.6. She also had 4 steals...one of which was very key late in the game where she stole the ball and got a key layup. She is first in the conference in both assists and steals. Parker had a big game too.

I watched the Trevecca game again this morning. Trevecca did some nice stuff during the first half that gave us problems. Williams is a real shooter. Their young guards will be good. Blade is a solid player. They had good motion off the ball. We had to make adjustments as that game went along. We did push their offense and shooters out further from the basket after they went out early on us. Our guys did well with the in-game adjustments which was something we were horrible at earlier in the season. We need to finish better around the basket when those opportunities are provided. We had some bad breakdowns on defense in the first half. We did hold them to 21 points in the 2nd half up until the last 3 minutes. We needed a game on the road against a well-coached team. That was a good win over another young team. That should be a good return game in Philippi. Chavez has really been playing with a lot of energy and good production lately. It has been consistent and fearless. We need that to continue. Dorrell can play, but has to be more consistent game-in and game-out. Reggie has looked a lot better recently and is starting, I think, to figure a few things out. Sanar didn't even play Thursday. It isn't a knock on him. He played a majority of the minutes earlier in the season. But with Reggie and Sam starting to develop, it has just caused him to be the odd man out.

The Trevecca announcer was very complimentary of our school and athletic department during the game. He was last year as well. He does a good job especially in baseball. He was impressed by Bocook.

Watching that game more intently this morning, I got we still are a long way to go. But we were better in the 2nd half. I like where I think we can be late February and early March if we continue to get better. The next two years after this, I predict, are going to be special.

[JDonAB92]

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AB played very well in Indiana. To be fair, the ending was pretty controversial. Had he not been an a$$ the whole game up here ... does he get the big call at the end ... probably. The technical he had coming. That was the ref putting the icing on the cake.

There was no controversy. I was there. It was a homer call to give IUP the win, and you know it. We were up two and had the ball with 20 seconds left. The ball was inbounded to Cooper and they called a traveling call that was never, ever there, and you know it. The technical came with four seconds left when the ref used poor mechanics and walked over to our bench when the play was on the other end of the floor. It was a PSAC crew that protected IUP on their own home floor. We really should have won the game despite that call so that is really why I didn't make much of an issue on it at the time of the game. We had our chances well beyond that end of game situation which was bad.

[JDonAB92]

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Again .. not saying it's right or fair ... just saying that's reality. Refs can call fouls pretty much on every play if they want to. There's no instant replay in D2. If they get to the point of wanting to 'give it to' a coach ... well ... I think you just saw what happens. The kids pay the price.

That's real class! Just stick to the kids because in PSAC land, it needs to happen.

If they want to give it to the coach, then it is called managing the game as an official. You can call technicals real quick in a game to manage a coach's behavior. That is what GOOD officials do. GOOD officials don't, as you say, "make the kids pay the price".

I have never brought up the ending.....you did.