PO Seeding - We can do better

[KleShreen]

SR1 didn’t have seven this year Va. Union was in that region this year. I can see how it would be beneficial to move teams in different regions when possible. So many teams are just to far apart for it to work with out having to use air travel which the NCAA doesn’t like to do because they are more concerned with the money than the proper alignment.

SR1 had Shepherd in SR2, who you guys predictably destroyed.

[KleShreen]

Bringing the discussion back to "PO Seeding - We Can Do Better" I suggest that we try working to find a solution. No administration, committee or board is going to make a change unless a better option is offered. If all we do is complain then nothing happens.

Why not invest the time and energy to create options for a seeding process and submit them? Maybe Brandon and the D2 Football group could be recipient of the various suggestions for PO seeding and narrow those down to the top five offerings. They can then be the intermediary to present those ideas to NCAA for consideration of how to make a change that would meet the needs of the D2 football schools and of the NCAA.

What say you?

The solution seems pretty simple. There's two options to choose from. Either do the same thing FCS does, or do the same thing D3 does. They're both superior options. Move to 32 teams, and do one of those formats (only difference with FCS format being no byes).

[Bearhof]

In five years time a lot can change and the whole landscape of teams and strengths of conferences could be totally different.

[fitzpats]

In five years time a lot can change and the whole landscape of teams and strengths of conferences could be totally different.

Entirely possible, but not very likely. The GSC, GLIAC, MIAA, and NSIC have been the powers for the last 20+ years. The PSAC has been the strongest of the SR1/NE region for a long time, but you've seen the limitations on how far they can go.

[IUPNation]

It was in response to nation constantly saying GV and Ferris should move up to FCS because they "have too much money" or something.

Wrong. Lies.

I said if you don’t like how D2 is set up you have the choice to move up to FCS who brackets the way you want….

[IUPNation]

I mean, I do think that GV and Ferris fit the profile of the average FCS school closer than the average D2 school. I don't begrudge them for choosing to stay in D2 where it's easier to compete for championships, but you have to realize that the needs of the average D2 school are much different than the needs of schools like GV.

He doesn’t know that. He think every school in D2 should do what a 22000 student school with a bigger revenue stream does…

[IUPNation]

SR1 had Shepherd in SR2, who you guys predictably destroyed.

SR2 Virginia Union got destroyed by Kutztown. I noticed you forgot to mention that…

[IUPNation]

The solution seems pretty simple. There's two options to choose from. Either do the same thing FCS does, or do the same thing D3 does. They're both superior options. Move to 32 teams, and do one of those formats (only difference with FCS format being no byes).

Or Grand Valley’s AD can choose which format they like and move the athletics to that level to make you happy.

[KleShreen]

SR2 Virginia Union got destroyed by Kutztown. I noticed you forgot to mention that…

Virginia Union is an HBCU which has bigger issues with being competitive than the PSAC does.

[KleShreen]

Or Grand Valley’s AD can choose which format they like and move the athletics to that level to make you happy.

Or, the easier solution, would be that SR1 just tries to stop being awful and pretends to even want to be here.

[IUPNation]

Entirely possible, but not very likely. The GSC, GLIAC, MIAA, and NSIC have been the powers for the last 20+ years. The PSAC has been the strongest of the SR1/NE region for a long time, but you've seen the limitations on how far they can go.

Again these conferences have a few heavyweight programs and a bunch of ones who never compete.

Even with its limitations, the Pee Sack is competitive in conference where a number of teams have a shot at the conference title. Meatchicken Tech, Northern Meatchicken, and Wayne State are road bumps for GV and Ferris.

Everyone over rates conferences based on a few teams. Slimey Pebble beat Wayne State this year and last year. What does that really prove? Not much.

[KleShreen]

Again these conferences have a few heavyweight programs and a bunch of ones who never compete.

Even with its limitations, the Pee Sack is competitive in conference where a number of teams have a shot at the conference title. Meatchicken Tech, Northern Meatchicken, and Wayne State are road bumps for GV and Ferris.

Wayne State has been to the same number of national championship games in the last 22 years as the entirety of SR1 has.

[IUPNation]

Virginia Union is an HBCU which has bigger issues with being competitive than the PSAC does.

Yet the vast majority of D2 is closer to the Pee Sack or Virginia Union than they are to GV. You just don’t really see the reality of this level. It’s no different than FBS where a handful of wealth programs dominate.

[fitzpats]

Again these conferences have a few heavyweight programs and a bunch of ones who never compete.

Even with its limitations, the Pee Sack is competitive in conference where a number of teams have a shot at the conference title. Meatchicken Tech, Northern Meatchicken, and Wayne State are road bumps for GV and Ferris.

Feel free to think that about the conferences, but they do trade off quite a bit. CMU this year in the playoffs, NWMSU out. Pitt in, GVSU in, Ferris in, Davenport, in last year, NWMSU in last year, DSU in, VSU in, WF champion. Let's not forget that SVSU has been ranked in the polls and has made the playoffs recently. These are quality programs that built a reputation and have been able to maintain it. If the goal is to win a conference championship once every five years, the PSAC has that locked down. If the goal is to build a national reputation, continue to build a quality program, and have a lasting impression on the landscape of the sport, then those heavyweights have done so.

If you want to equate conference competitiveness to high quality programs competing for the national championship, feel free. There's a reason the MAC is left out of major bowl games year after year. There's a reason there's a seat at the table for the Big 10, Big 12, SEC, and ACC. If you want to be a MAC style conference, there's nothing wrong with that. Just know that the table is set for the national contenders and not the conference. Can a MAC school crash the FBS playoffs? Absolutely. Can a PSAC school make a run at the title? Absolutely. Should either conference have a guaranteed seat as one of the final four teams playing for the title Absolutely not.

[KleShreen]

Again these conferences have a few heavyweight programs and a bunch of ones who never compete.

Even with its limitations, the Pee Sack is competitive in conference where a number of teams have a shot at the conference title. Meatchicken Tech, Northern Meatchicken, and Wayne State are road bumps for GV and Ferris.

Everyone over rates conferences based on a few teams. Slimey Pebble beat Wayne State this year and last year. What does that really prove? Not much.

Do you think the MAC is a better football conference than the SEC, since the MAC has had 6 different champions in the last 8 seasons while the SEC has only had 3?