PASSHE Institutions Merging

[Fightingscot82]

The new territory for the NCAA will be a multi-campus university with each campus directly competing against the others. This isn't necessarily seen right now. All similar instances that come to mind are system schools with independent campuses (Cal and UCLA, Wisconsin and Wisconsin-Green Bay, etc) or they compete at different levels (Fairleigh Dickinson D1 & D3, LIU used to have D1 Brooklyn and D2 CW Post). Southern Illinois are technically the same school and both compete at D1 but in different conferences, but SIU Edwardsville is considered independent with its own accreditation. Similar to Penn State and Behrend.

[complaint_hopeful]

I don't see sports being consolidated because they've done the math and sports bring students. It's easy to be pessimistic about the plan but we have be careful that it doesn't cloud our view of everything else. I don't like this one bit but I'm not going to let it ruin my attitude toward all things Edinboro.

Well said. And that's what I'm trying to say too. Sports are probably one of my least worries in this all.

Now PASSHE has put out numbers that they want I believe an 11% reduction in employees over the next few years. And I believe that's all campuses. And they're hoping that retirement incentives do that.

But, some campuses are already thin on employees. Losing more stresses and strains them.

It's rough.

[complaint_hopeful]

https://triblive.com/local/regional/...-universities/

I'm fairly confident that the individual athletics programs will remain intact...as long as the NCAA allows it. When students enroll, they'll likely have to identify a 'home campus'. So if you play football at Bloom, when you enroll you'd just identify that as your home campus.

Now, you know what teams did in like Little League baseball when a city had 2 teams? They'd load one team in some cases. These triads have the potential to do that. Not saying it's right, but what if they shift all the scholarships to 1 school in football. Or the majority? It's 1 budget. Now I know some dollars come from donors, so some would stay. I think there will need to be a lot of oversight.

[complaint_hopeful]

That's not what I was asking. I was asking whether the consolidated schools mentioned that had separate athletic programs had a single, combined accreditation or whether they had separate accreditations. That would matter in terms of whether there are precedents to having separate athletic programs or not. Because we now know it's going to be a single accreditation for the entire entity.

Gotcha. You were asking about the schools that already went through this. Makes sense.

[complaint_hopeful]

It was reported the aim was "to retain the unique and personal on-campus experiences, services and faculty-student interactions that have historically reinforced our campus identities, brands and value propositions". Schools were to maintain their names, but now we find out they hired a branding and marketing firm to come up with a new university name. We were told some schools were cutting staff, now know all are cutting personnel. Who knows when the other shoe will drop. I bet someone knows how athletics will pan out, and they are playing their cards close to the vest.

PSCUF President, Dr. Jamie Martin is probably right about "by this standard, it seems to be further along than just in planning." These scheduled town halls are just a dog and pony show, the end has already been written somewhere. It will be force fed to everyone, and then we vomit it back. The ink is dry.

There's no doubt that atleast some people know how they want this to turn out. But, I don't know...it doesn't seem like the teams are being given much guidance.

As far as the identity...that's a tricky one. Like they've been pretty clear that it will be a new University. But, they've also been clear that campuses keep their identity. How do you mesh the 2? How do you stay separate and the same?

I think it's a case of expectations. Also, they want it both ways. They don't want to alienate alumni and current students. But, they want to show lawmakers that they are making something new.

Tough decisions need made. It seems, atleast publically that they aren't announcing these.

For the campuses, my understanding is that the identities will be like - New U Name - Lock Haven campus, etc.

[Fightingscot82]

https://triblive.com/local/regional/...-universities/

I don't see sports being consolidated because they've done the math and sports bring students. It's easy to be pessimistic about the plan but we have be careful that it doesn't cloud our view of everything else. I don't like this one bit but I'm not going to let it ruin my attitude toward all things Edinboro.

[Bart]

Yes, things seem to have changed dramatically. Does it seem feasible to have a common brand along with separate athletic programs? I hope it is.

https://triblive.com/local/regional/...-universities/

[Fightingscot82]

It was reported the aim was "to retain the unique and personal on-campus experiences, services and faculty-student interactions that have historically reinforced our campus identities, brands and value propositions". Schools were to maintain their names, but now we find out they hired a branding and marketing firm to come up with a new university name. We were told some schools were cutting staff, now know all are cutting personnel. Who knows when the other shoe will drop. I bet someone knows how athletics will pan out, and they are playing their cards close to the vest.

PSCUF President, Dr. Jamie Martin is probably right about "by this standard, it seems to be further along than just in planning." These scheduled town halls are just a dog and pony show, the end has already been written somewhere. It will be force fed to everyone, and then we vomit it back. The ink is dry.

In the document I received from Edinboro, it explained that the name change will be a shared identity with campus identifiers. I imagine that means something like University of Northeastern Pennsylvania at Bloomsburg.

[iupgroundhog]

It was reported the aim was "to retain the unique and personal on-campus experiences, services and faculty-student interactions that have historically reinforced our campus identities, brands and value propositions". Schools were to maintain their names, but now we find out they hired a branding and marketing firm to come up with a new university name. We were told some schools were cutting staff, now know all are cutting personnel. Who knows when the other shoe will drop. I bet someone knows how athletics will pan out, and they are playing their cards close to the vest.

PSCUF President, Dr. Jamie Martin is probably right about "by this standard, it seems to be further along than just in planning." These scheduled town halls are just a dog and pony show, the end has already been written somewhere. It will be force fed to everyone, and then we vomit it back. The ink is dry.

Yes, things seem to have changed dramatically. Does it seem feasible to have a common brand along with separate athletic programs? I hope it is.

[iupgroundhog]

I think the goal initially was 1 accreditation. I don't know if that changed after talking to middle states.

I think the ncaa will allow it.

That's not what I was asking. I was asking whether the consolidated schools mentioned that had separate athletic programs had a single, combined accreditation or whether they had separate accreditations. That would matter in terms of whether there are precedents to having separate athletic programs or not. Because we now know it's going to be a single accreditation for the entire entity.

[Bart]

It was reported the aim was "to retain the unique and personal on-campus experiences, services and faculty-student interactions that have historically reinforced our campus identities, brands and value propositions". Schools were to maintain their names, but now we find out they hired a branding and marketing firm to come up with a new university name. We were told some schools were cutting staff, now know all are cutting personnel. Who knows when the other shoe will drop. I bet someone knows how athletics will pan out, and they are playing their cards close to the vest.

PSCUF President, Dr. Jamie Martin is probably right about "by this standard, it seems to be further along than just in planning." These scheduled town halls are just a dog and pony show, the end has already been written somewhere. It will be force fed to everyone, and then we vomit it back. The ink is dry.

[Fightingscot82]

Yes! I would say Athletics is one of the easier parts of this Integration atleast initially. Now over time, they may decide to consolidate some teams depending on costs. But not initially.

I'd be more worried about how the funding gets distributed for sports when it's 1 budget. Like for football, will they balance scholarships or allow 1 school to have more.

Like in the West. Cal generally has a better football team than Edinboro and Clarion. Will that balance out? Will more resources go to Clarion?

I think an upside is that maybe Cal has a superior way of managing and funding athletics and the other two adjust for the better.

[Fightingscot82]

Do those schools have separate accreditations or is it a unified accreditation?

Why would the NCAA not approve keeping individual athletic programs? Conflict of interest? Seriously. Why is it an issue?

Unsure. I think the only thing the NCAA would deny is one campus having multiple athletic departments.

[iupgroundhog]

The whole this school keeps that program, etc...you mean in person? Because there will be 1 school when this is done. 1 budget. 1 bank account presumably.

So say Program A is offered in person on campus 1. Students at Campus 2 and Campus 3 would likely be able to enroll in that program via hybrid or online classes in some cases. Maybe it's successful and they expand it in person at the other 2? So ability to take classes at the other schools should increase.

I know it's tough to see this now...but Integration means campuses exist, but it's 1 school. Not 3 separate. And profits or losses are shared.

I was being facetious (at least trying to be). It's esoteric. No problem.

[complaint_hopeful]

Do those schools have separate accreditations or is it a unified accreditation?

Why would the NCAA not approve keeping individual athletic programs? Conflict of interest? Seriously. Why is it an issue?

I think the goal initially was 1 accreditation. I don't know if that changed after talking to middle states.

I think the ncaa will allow it.