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Listening to students and professors at a couple of universities talk about the merger:
Faculty must be cut before the integration. That would probably paint them into a corner and give these schools little chance of choosing not to integrate.
Tenure is going away. $2,500 will be paid to adjunct faculty to teach a course.
NCAA ll athletics is waiting to see how the academics works out before making a decision on athletics. And D1 is waiting for D2 to make their decision.
For every $1 spent on a PASSHE school, $11 is returned to the community.
Each school will keep their identity, yet they hired a Ohio firm to figure out the identity of Pa. school.
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APSCUF calling the chancellor's statements irresponsible and reckless. Others are calling for him to resign. I'm not sure that helps.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View PostCal U Trims Costs for Westmoreland County Community College Grads (20% discount) -
Cal U trims costs for Westmoreland County Community College Grads
https://www.northcentralpa.com/educa..._medium=social
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Originally posted by ironmaniup View Post
At the least it will be delayed for a year. With faculty dragging their feet, and with all the elbowing by the various universities, there is no way this happened by fall. In fact, current students are promised the degree they signed up for, based on the classes that are available now.
The problem is, there is another huge demographic drop off coming in 2025, and the weaker institution cannot survive without more subsidy than the state is currently willing to provide.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
What are the odds this doesn't get the go ahead at this point though? The PASSHE Board is who approves it. There will be a 60 day comment period where I'd imagine there will be A LOT of opposition, but ultimately it goes forward.
I guess it really depends on how bleak the situation really is. Lock Haven for instance says they have $45 million in reserves. IF that money was theirs and theirs alone, they could likely lose enrollment for several plus more years and survive.
The Chancellor and PASSHE see the system collapsing in a short period of time going at the current trend.
And maybe both are right. Maybe Lock Haven would be ok, but a bunch of other schools fail? The Chancellor is working to save ALL schools. Not just 1.
I tend to think his view is highly correct. Although, in his town halls and PR appearances he's talking about how he's seeing amazing work in these Integrations. Everything I hear is there is confusion and lack of communication and decisions. Unless the consultants built this thing heavily and just haven't released the info yet...
The problem is, there is another huge demographic drop off coming in 2025, and the weaker institution cannot survive without more subsidy than the state is currently willing to provide.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
All of the uncertainty and confusion has to hurt and this is not a good time for more hurt.
Interestingly, when the Chancellor comes to a campus or speaks to a campus...the people present wildly optimistic views to him of his plan I've noticed. It's interesting. Like the Students talk about how great this is.
I don't know that he gets the actual view that the average person has. I hope he realizes that people will give him biased takes.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View PostI think there's a lot of bad press coming from the Integration. I get what the Chancellor is doing...He's trying to paint the alternatives as bad.
But, what he's doing is painting in the mind of prospective students that the system might collapse while they are here.
This whole process is brutal.
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I think there's a lot of bad press coming from the Integration. I get what the Chancellor is doing...He's trying to paint the alternatives as bad.
But, what he's doing is painting in the mind of prospective students that the system might collapse while they are here.
This whole process is brutal.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
No. That's not the way it worked pre-PASSHE and not the way it would work post-PASSHE. Instead, each school would negotiate with the state independently. Sounds inefficient but it would allow each school to find their level. The other big word Greenstein introduced was "cross-subsidization." Perhaps people have never heard that big word but many know what it means. Why should stronger institutions subsidize weaker ones? At this point, I think that question deserves consideration.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
Well...IF the State funding went to 0...likely no school survives. So I think that's the critical detail. Like they dissolve PASSHE and the state funding goes away.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostI think the biggest story is that the concept of "dissolution" has been introduced. Revert back to the way things were pre-PASSHE.
The state senator from Indiana volunteered that he would sponsor that bill. It would be every school for themselves. Senator Pittman described how the "cross-subsidization" has hurt IUP. He's right. If dissolving PASSHE is an option, I am all for it.
dissolution - Legal Definition. n. The termination, cessation, or winding up of a legal entity such as a corporation or partnership; the consensual or judicially ordered undoing of a contract by placing the parties back into the positions they held before entering into it; the termination of a marriage.
While we're all for getting rid of the "system" I think he was talking about closing everyone. That would be catastrophic.Last edited by Fightingscot82; 03-19-2021, 09:40 AM.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
The Clarion/Edinboro president characterized it as Cal and Clarion proactively advocating for Edinboro to join them since their finances, enrollment, and academic offerings overlap well. I don't know what to believe at this point.
Supposedly within the next couple weeks some of the actual details are going to trickle out about how this actually works.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
The town/gown relationship is different in all of these communities. As far as I can recall from the one time I passed through Edinboro, PA there is not much of a community surrounding EUP. In contrast, LHU, while it has always been small, is in many ways the lifeblood of the community. The way the plan is structured portends a devastating economic hit to the community because LH stands to lose the most under the current plan.
At this point, he should allow LHU to withdraw from the triad and pull in another school, e.g. ESU, Ship, or Kutztown. See how they like being the sacrificial lamb.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostI think the biggest story is that the concept of "dissolution" has been introduced. Revert back to the way things were pre-PASSHE.
The state senator from Indiana volunteered that he would sponsor that bill. It would be every school for themselves. Senator Pittman described how the "cross-subsidization" has hurt IUP. He's right. If dissolving PASSHE is an option, I am all for it.
dissolution - Legal Definition. n. The termination, cessation, or winding up of a legal entity such as a corporation or partnership; the consensual or judicially ordered undoing of a contract by placing the parties back into the positions they held before entering into it; the termination of a marriage.
I don't know. IUP would have probably benefitted if it happened years ago. Now, I don't know. They've been losing enrollment too.
Interestingly, PASSHE has A LOT of high paid employees. And they're just now starting to provide a lot of value in things like procurement, etc. Actually, for a lot of years...it was kind of unclear what value they provided. That seems to be changing.
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