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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostI think the biggest story is that the concept of "dissolution" has been introduced. Revert back to the way things were pre-PASSHE.
The state senator from Indiana volunteered that he would sponsor that bill. It would be every school for themselves. Senator Pittman described how the "cross-subsidization" has hurt IUP. He's right. If dissolving PASSHE is an option, I am all for it.
dissolution - Legal Definition. n. The termination, cessation, or winding up of a legal entity such as a corporation or partnership; the consensual or judicially ordered undoing of a contract by placing the parties back into the positions they held before entering into it; the termination of a marriage.
While we're all for getting rid of the "system" I think he was talking about closing everyone. That would be catastrophic.Last edited by Fightingscot82; 03-19-2021, 09:40 AM.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
The Clarion/Edinboro president characterized it as Cal and Clarion proactively advocating for Edinboro to join them since their finances, enrollment, and academic offerings overlap well. I don't know what to believe at this point.
Supposedly within the next couple weeks some of the actual details are going to trickle out about how this actually works.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
The town/gown relationship is different in all of these communities. As far as I can recall from the one time I passed through Edinboro, PA there is not much of a community surrounding EUP. In contrast, LHU, while it has always been small, is in many ways the lifeblood of the community. The way the plan is structured portends a devastating economic hit to the community because LH stands to lose the most under the current plan.
At this point, he should allow LHU to withdraw from the triad and pull in another school, e.g. ESU, Ship, or Kutztown. See how they like being the sacrificial lamb.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostI think the biggest story is that the concept of "dissolution" has been introduced. Revert back to the way things were pre-PASSHE.
The state senator from Indiana volunteered that he would sponsor that bill. It would be every school for themselves. Senator Pittman described how the "cross-subsidization" has hurt IUP. He's right. If dissolving PASSHE is an option, I am all for it.
dissolution - Legal Definition. n. The termination, cessation, or winding up of a legal entity such as a corporation or partnership; the consensual or judicially ordered undoing of a contract by placing the parties back into the positions they held before entering into it; the termination of a marriage.
I don't know. IUP would have probably benefitted if it happened years ago. Now, I don't know. They've been losing enrollment too.
Interestingly, PASSHE has A LOT of high paid employees. And they're just now starting to provide a lot of value in things like procurement, etc. Actually, for a lot of years...it was kind of unclear what value they provided. That seems to be changing.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
I guess I should say public resistance. Lock Haven has been externally vocal. Edinboro folks didn't like the idea and Slippery Rock took their case to the Chancellor. They didn't do it in the press or hold events.
At this point, he should allow LHU to withdraw from the triad and pull in another school, e.g. ESU, Ship, or Kutztown. See how they like being the sacrificial lamb.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
Interestingly, on the West Triad, Greenstein recently said that when they did a review of the finances...they decided to add Edinboro into it because Cal and Clarion needed 'more mass'. First, I heard of that.
Also, he said that the input from the teams is critical and will be followed. He said, going in he kind of thought that some sports would be losing money and get cut. But, after analysis, they determined that they weren't and decided to keep them. He used this as an example of following the data and input from the groups.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
That is untrue. In his initial rollout of the plan for the West there was so much resistance that, according to you, Edinboro did not want to go along with the plan for fear of being subservient to Slippery Rock, and Slippery Rock did not want to go along with the plan unless the other campuses were 2nd tier under SRU direction. Confronted with that resistance it's clear that Greenstein attempted to follow the path of least resistance which he thought was adding Bloom into a Northeast triad. Mainly due to the size difference between LH and Bloom his plan is unfairly detrimental to LHU and the LH community. That's why there is the resistance.
Also, he said that the input from the teams is critical and will be followed. He said, going in he kind of thought that some sports would be losing money and get cut. But, after analysis, they determined that they weren't and decided to keep them. He used this as an example of following the data and input from the groups.
re: Resistance - I think there is a lot. It's just not public. Like probably none of the schools are 100% on board with this. They say the right things in public, but I think there is skepticism.Last edited by complaint_hopeful; 03-19-2021, 09:09 AM.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
That is untrue. In his initial rollout of the plan for the West there was so much resistance that, according to you, Edinboro did not want to go along with the plan for fear of being subservient to Slippery Rock, and Slippery Rock did not want to go along with the plan unless the other campuses were 2nd tier under SRU direction. Confronted with that resistance it's clear that Greenstein attempted to follow the path of least resistance which he thought was adding Bloom into a Northeast triad. Mainly due to the size difference between LH and Bloom his plan is unfairly detrimental to LHU and the LH community. That's why there is the resistance.
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I think the biggest story is that the concept of "dissolution" has been introduced. Revert back to the way things were pre-PASSHE.
The state senator from Indiana volunteered that he would sponsor that bill. It would be every school for themselves. Senator Pittman described how the "cross-subsidization" has hurt IUP. He's right. If dissolving PASSHE is an option, I am all for it.
dissolution - Legal Definition. n. The termination, cessation, or winding up of a legal entity such as a corporation or partnership; the consensual or judicially ordered undoing of a contract by placing the parties back into the positions they held before entering into it; the termination of a marriage.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Lock Haven
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
What are the odds this doesn't get the go ahead at this point though?
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
When you say "they" were the only campus and community to put up a fight who are you referring to?
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
When you say "they" were the only campus and community to put up a fight who are you referring to?
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