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I expect to see enrollment tick upward at ESU...When 9/11 happened we saw a large migration to the West from folks in the Apple who lost their appetite for it. Monroe County PA went from 143,000 in 2001 to 169,000 in 2011. I truly believe we'll see another migration as the pandemic cruises on...You should see the crowds at State Parks and on the Delaware River on weekends these days...Heck with Global Warming, the Delaware River might soon be on the Eastern Seaboard...Last edited by WarriorVoice; 07-27-2020, 02:18 PM.
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Originally posted by shipfbfan1 View Post
I think the problem with the system is too many overlapping programs and nobody taking the initiative to bring in a new department like Architecture/Design, Engineering & Project Management.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
Frankly, I don't think it's in the schools' best interests to avoid mergers. I think merging, even up to a complete oneness, is unavoidable and the only way this system survives.
Get used to it now. Yes, identity will be a casualty. My high school doesn't exist anymore. Many of the buildings I spent my time in at IUP don't exist. You accept it and move on.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
Frankly, I don't think it's in the schools' best interests to avoid mergers. I think merging, even up to a complete oneness, is unavoidable and the only way this system survives.
Get used to it now. Yes, identity will be a casualty. My high school doesn't exist anymore. Many of the buildings I spent my time in at IUP don't exist. You accept it and move on.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
I think the schools can avoid mergers but they'll need to get some flexibility with staffing.
Get used to it now. Yes, identity will be a casualty. My high school doesn't exist anymore. Many of the buildings I spent my time in at IUP don't exist. You accept it and move on.
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Originally posted by shipfbfan1 View PostBack in 2010 I thought Ship could push their enrollment up to 9000-10000 by 2020 not lose over 2000 students. Looking at those numbers if they can't figure out how to boost enrollment back to 7000+ they may at some point be merged with Millersville.
So, I was surprised by what has happened at Ship. I think they have a similar problem as IUP - and that is geographical location.
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Originally posted by shipfbfan1 View PostBack in 2010 I thought Ship could push their enrollment up to 9000-10000 by 2020 not lose over 2000 students. Looking at those numbers if they can't figure out how to boost enrollment back to 7000+ they may at some point be merged with Millersville.
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Back in 2010 I thought Ship could push their enrollment up to 9000-10000 by 2020 not lose over 2000 students. Looking at those numbers if they can't figure out how to boost enrollment back to 7000+ they may at some point be merged with Millersville.
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West Chester probably has the best reputation with high school families of all PASSHE schools. They're also highly rated - a top tier regional master's while IUP flounders in the also-ran territory of "national universities". That's not a slight on IUP - they get killed in the methodology for most rankings. West Chester also kills it in the transfer world - they're surrounded by community colleges. I'll also argue that they have the best location of any - its a small town feel that's surrounded by Philly suburbs. For a lot of suburban Philly kids, they can go to West Chester and it feels like home without going too far. Plus they're still close to their friends going to Drexel, Villanova, etc.
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Originally posted by IUPTrackMan View Post==Destination College Mania
The surrounding area is very nice, but I doubt if that is a major driver. Without price reduction. I believe the D2 schools across the county are going to have a rough time attracting students in the current environment because so many kids are are looking at college being a life changing event.
My wife is an elementary school teacher here in PA and just today there was a graduation party for twins she had. One is headed to University of Florida and the other will be at Oklahoma University. This is very commonplace right now.
My son had 6 HS classmates go to Alabama. Other HS classmates went to Clemson, Florida St, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Ohio St, Ole Miss, Florida Atlantic, Kentucky. Coworkers of mine had kids that went to WVU, VIrginia Tech (2), Wake Forest.
Alabama recruits students from all over the country (not just football players), and I've heard that some of their marketing pieces have Nick Saban on the cover. I'd imagine some other schools do similar things to recruit students.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I'm not sure if anybody really "knows."
Here is my answer.
#1 - The obvious and most cited reason is demographics. WCU recruits from a region where school-age population is growing and the rest of the schools do not.
#2 - A highly effective advertising program encompassing print, radio, and TV. They advertised A LOT. The message was simple. WCU offers the same things as more expensive, more distant schools do at a lower cost.
#3 After it gets started it feeds upon itself. Awareness and image of WCU are much greater than 10 years ago.
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Originally posted by IUPTrackMan View PostI have a question and 2 points to throw out there.
==West Chester Model
Matt or anyone else that knows,
What has West Chester done in the last 9 years that led to their 22% increase in enrollment? Did they add new majors, add a grad program, reduce cost significantly, or developed a relationship with another school where part of program is at WC and part is at another school.
Here is my answer.
#1 - The obvious and most cited reason is demographics. WCU recruits from a region where school-age population is growing and the rest of the schools do not.
#2 - A highly effective advertising program encompassing print, radio, and TV. They advertised A LOT. The message was simple. WCU offers the same things as more expensive, more distant schools do at a lower cost.
#3 After it gets started it feeds upon itself. Awareness and image of WCU are much greater than 10 years ago.
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Originally posted by Matt Burglund View Post
You might be right, I don't know.
But based on this graphic, LHU's enrollment is down 42% from where it was in 2010. Only Cheyney, Edinboro, and Mansfield have bigger drops.
If tuition was roughly $20k in 2010, that's $109 million in income. If it's $25k now, that's $79 million in income. That's a pretty serious drop in income from 10 years ago, even more so when you factor in inflation.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
No doubt these measures are just the first step to get the ball rolling. But why single out Lock Haven? Sure, it's a small school but they aren't in worse shape than many of the others, including our own alma mater. Actually, LHU is in much better financial shape than most of the schools. They have a number of good programs beyond the PA program (which was started and run by a childhood friend of mine). Many of their athletics-related programs are really good, also Sports Administration, geology, education, to name a few off the top of my head. It's always been a place that developed teachers and coaches. They are actually prolific at producing coaches.
Perhaps more important, "the college" is an integral part of the community. Having been born and raised there I can say the town/gown relationship in LH is as good as any of the PASSHE schools and it's always been that way.
What they are doing now with LH/Mansfield makes perfect sense. In fact, if you go back to my old thread "The PASSHE - our alma maters" my primary thinking was to make these schools into engines for economic growth in PA. I suggested a partnership with the PA Dept, of Labor and that is very close to what the "integration" plans for. It's a different purpose, more geared towards workforce development. It's a good idea. LHU can serve the economic development needs of that region better than any other educational institution.
Also, it's such a key cog in the local economy. I can't imagine Lock Haven without the college. It's going to be there. And its presence will be greater over time than some of these other schools.
Maybe LHU gets bashed on here so much because it's a football forum and they stink in football. Not sure.
For the record, I'm always going to defend LHU. My grandmother went there, my godmother went there, my godfather donated into 8 figures to it over his lifetime and is one of few people ever awarded an honorary degree, my mother grew up across the street from it on Susquehanna Ave., my brother went there.
I hope it survives and I think it will.
In my opinion IUP is or will be in trouble and possibly should be in the mix.
One of the issues for many of the schools is that they are the principle economic cog for the counties in which they are located.
I stand by my words that the proposals so far are the "low hanging fruit." There is very little real pain in the actions so far to save the PASSHE
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Originally posted by Matt Burglund View Post
You might be right, I don't know.
But based on this graphic, LHU's enrollment is down 42% from where it was in 2010. Only Cheyney, Edinboro, and Mansfield have bigger drops.
If tuition was roughly $20k in 2010, that's $109 million in income. If it's $25k now, that's $79 million in income. That's a pretty serious drop in income from 10 years ago, even more so when you factor in inflation.
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