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  • Originally posted by Boro33 View Post

    All FCS schools offer nothing but full rides. There are no longer walk on or partials at any D 1 level.
    The only league that is D 1 FCS that is non scholarship is the Pioneer League with Dayton, San Diego....etc and the Ivy League.
    This isn't even remotely close to accurate.

    FBS (old I-A) only offers full rides. FCS can split scholarships up to the equivalent of 64 full rides. Yes the Pioneer and Ivy Leagues are non-scholarship, but there are several conferences where most schools are well under 64.

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    • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

      This isn't even remotely close to accurate.

      FBS (old I-A) only offers full rides. FCS can split scholarships up to the equivalent of 64 full rides. Yes the Pioneer and Ivy Leagues are non-scholarship, but there are several conferences where most schools are well under 64.
      You are correct on that! My mistake.

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      • Originally posted by RamPride View Post
        He was under center for the worst season Shepherd has had in 20 years, told he will be challenged for starting job then transfers to higher division like he’s was a boss ..part of the woke ideology I guess. I will feel better about myself if I run away..
        It has nothing to do with so-called "woke" ideology, whatever the hell that is, and seems to be more an example of the free-will capitalism that this society claims to worship. These kids transfer because they think they can do better and possibly be better compensated elsewhere. Whether they're right remains to be seen, but it's their choice.

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        • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

          It has nothing to do with so-called "woke" ideology, whatever the hell that is, and seems to be more an example of the free-will capitalism that this society claims to worship. These kids transfer because they think they can do better and possibly be better compensated elsewhere. Whether they're right remains to be seen, but it's their choice.
          I believe you are 100% correct on this. If you dive a little deeper into Powell's decision, you can clearly see the warning signs that could have influenced his decision.
          Program wise:
          1. His entIre receiving corps either transferred out or graduated.
          2. The offensive line was in shambles.
          3. Coordinating and play calling of the Pass Game was beyond awful. (With an O line beat to hell, one would think you would major in screens. Screen play was absent. Creativity was non existent. Tempo??? Nope. Play calling looked more like they were trying not to lose rather than win.
          4. I believe the Morgan kid (last qb) also left to challenge himself at a higher level of play as well.
          Last edited by Boro33; 01-02-2025, 11:10 AM.

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          • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

            It has nothing to do with so-called "woke" ideology, whatever the hell that is, and seems to be more an example of the free-will capitalism that this society claims to worship. These kids transfer because they think they can do better and possibly be better compensated elsewhere. Whether they're right remains to be seen, but it's their choice.
            You are correct. The whole deal in college sports represents an overemphasis of the rights of the individual and takes away from the cohesiveness that results from the institution. It becomes chaos, which is what we have now. It's a right-wing thing produced by right-wingers. There has to be more balance between the rights of individuals and what we sacrifice for the institutions that make things work.

            Groundhog Philosophy 2025.

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            • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

              It has nothing to do with so-called "woke" ideology, whatever the hell that is, and seems to be more an example of the free-will capitalism that this society claims to worship. These kids transfer because they think they can do better and possibly be better compensated elsewhere. Whether they're right remains to be seen, but it's their choice.
              It was a good split for both parties. Wished it worked out better, it didn't.

              Rams fans have been spoiled for about 15 years as RamPride alluded to. This was the worst season in nearly 20 years. It was a great run, and I believe they will bounce back to the standard even with all the losses they had in the transfer portal. There still is a good bit of talent in this program.

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              • Originally posted by Ram040506 View Post

                It was a good split for both parties. Wished it worked out better, it didn't.

                Rams fans have been spoiled for about 15 years as RamPride alluded to. This was the worst season in nearly 20 years. It was a great run, and I believe they will bounce back to the standard even with all the losses they had in the transfer portal. There still is a good bit of talent in this program.
                Shepherd has been having a run that a lot of D2 schools would like to have. After the way my school's program has been going the past couple of years, I'd just appreciate a decent season or two.

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                • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

                  You are correct. The whole deal in college sports represents an overemphasis of the rights of the individual and takes away from the cohesiveness that results from the institution. It becomes chaos, which is what we have now. It's a right-wing thing produced by right-wingers. There has to be more balance between the rights of individuals and what we sacrifice for the institutions that make things work.

                  Groundhog Philosophy 2025.
                  Not sure I get the "Right-Wingers" thing?

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                  • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

                    You are correct. The whole deal in college sports represents an overemphasis of the rights of the individual and takes away from the cohesiveness that results from the institution. It becomes chaos, which is what we have now. It's a right-wing thing produced by right-wingers. There has to be more balance between the rights of individuals and what we sacrifice for the institutions that make things work.

                    Groundhog Philosophy 2025.
                    I'm not sure what is right wing about it.

                    I think athletes need to reclaim their student status and the ability to transfer as they see fit just like any other student is a big step in that direction. Yes, this provides chaos for the school but the same could be said if the star musician in a music department jazz band decided he wants to transfer. They go and find another trumpet player or whatever, they don't say "you promised us 4 years!" Coaches also have the ability to go as they please without penalty. The only saving grace is that nothing is guaranteed and way too many of the D2 players entering the portal end up nowhere - their only bridge burned when they requested a release. I think things will eventually settle down a bit.

                    If schools want to prevent this, they can give players more space to be normal students. Right now they are a football player taking classes from August to November (December for those late playoff runs). Let them make friends off the team. Choose the major they want. Give them time to work a job. Join a fraternity. The more connected they are to the campus beyond football they more they'll appreciate it and be less likely to leave.

                    Completely anecdotal, but my dad's fraternity at Edinboro in the early 70s was half football players. A former neighbor who played at Penn State was in a fraternity that was almost entirely football players. This is unheard of anymore - for a football player to join a fraternity or any other organization that does a lot on campus. When was the last time you heard of a football player on SGA? Programming board? Being an RA? All things that used to be pretty common are gone. They're football players taking classes. Occasionally getting a significant other. But almost never having anything resembling the experience of every other male student.
                    Last edited by Fightingscot82; 01-02-2025, 10:11 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

                      I'm not sure what is right wing about it.

                      I think athletes need to reclaim their student status and the ability to transfer as they see fit just like any other student is a big step in that direction. Yes, this provides chaos for the school but the same could be said if the star musician in a music department jazz band decided he wants to transfer. They go and find another trumpet player or whatever, they don't say "you promised us 4 years!" Coaches also have the ability to go as they please without penalty. The only saving grace is that nothing is guaranteed and way too many of the D2 players entering the portal end up nowhere - their only bridge burned when they requested a release. I think things will eventually settle down a bit.

                      If schools want to prevent this, they can give players more space to be normal students. Right now they are a football player taking classes from August to November (December for those late playoff runs). Let them make friends off the team. Choose the major they want. Give them time to work a job. Join a fraternity. The more connected they are to the campus beyond football they more they'll appreciate it and be less likely to leave.

                      Completely anecdotal, but my dad's fraternity at Edinboro in the early 70s was half football players. A former neighbor who played at Penn State was in a fraternity that was almost entirely football players. This is unheard of anymore - for a football player to join a fraternity or any other organization that does a lot on campus. When was the last time you heard of a football player on SGA? Programming board? Being an RA? All things that used to be pretty common are gone. They're football players taking classes. Occasionally getting a significant other. But almost never having anything resembling the experience of every other male student.
                      We could probably discuss this ad nauseum. I personally see it as conforming to right wing thinking because it is based on individual rights over the "common good" and , while everybody believes in individual rights, it is a cornerstone, or maybe the cornerstone of right wing thinking. It places "me" over all other considerations. It is, at its core, Ayn Rand, Edmund Burke, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan. Just my opinion. Happy New Year.

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                      • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

                        Shepherd has been having a run that a lot of D2 schools would like to have. After the way my school's program has been going the past couple of years, I'd just appreciate a decent season or two.
                        Shepherd is a better program than where Powell is going. Jokes aside it seems like this was a case where student/player and school/team just couldn’t make it work. It happens.
                        “No matter how badly things get blown apart, we will always plant flowers again.”

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                        • Originally posted by TheBigCat2192 View Post

                          Shepherd is a better program than where Powell is going. Jokes aside it seems like this was a case where student/player and school/team just couldn’t make it work. It happens.
                          Agree. Program at Shepherd has better history. But the level of competition is a big step up. Weeks 1 and 2 are Vanderbilt and Coastal Carolina. Richmond, William & Mary, Eastern and and Western Illinois, Gardner Webb, the Citidel are common opponents. They played Florida State this year. Looking at scores, I believe they lost 4 games by 5 or fewer points.

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                          • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

                            We could probably discuss this ad nauseum. I personally see it as conforming to right wing thinking because it is based on individual rights over the "common good" and , while everybody believes in individual rights, it is a cornerstone, or maybe the cornerstone of right wing thinking. It places "me" over all other considerations. It is, at its core, Ayn Rand, Edmund Burke, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan. Just my opinion. Happy New Year.
                            This is a rather funny interpretation given that the loudest public voices for athlete’s rights (the “individual rights” you mention) are broadly left-wing like labor activists and “Squad” members like Cory Booker. Meanwhile a fair amount of college sports admins and writers felt that a Trump administration and/or Republican Congress (like Cruz and Tuberville in the Senate) would be more favorable to the NCAA and its quest for an anti-trust exemption and legislation specifying that players are not to be defined as employees.

                            Unfortunately, state houses don’t really give us a good idea of who might support what at the federal level because we’ve seen a fair amount of politicians across the board at state level support NIL and try to block the NCAA from enforcing its rules inside their borders.
                            “No matter how badly things get blown apart, we will always plant flowers again.”

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                            • Originally posted by TheBigCat2192 View Post

                              This is a rather funny interpretation given that the loudest public voices for athlete’s rights (the “individual rights” you mention) are broadly left-wing like labor activists and “Squad” members like Cory Booker. Meanwhile a fair amount of college sports admins and writers felt that a Trump administration and/or Republican Congress (like Cruz and Tuberville in the Senate) would be more favorable to the NCAA and its quest for an anti-trust exemption and legislation specifying that players are not to be defined as employees.

                              Unfortunately, state houses don’t really give us a good idea of who might support what at the federal level because we’ve seen a fair amount of politicians across the board at state level support NIL and try to block the NCAA from enforcing its rules inside their borders.
                              You are correct regarding Booker and other NIL supporters. My point is mine alone and I think the underlying rationale is oriented toward conservative thinking. Kind of doesn't matter because we have what we have now, anyway.

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                              • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

                                You are correct regarding Booker and other NIL supporters. My point is mine alone and I think the underlying rationale is oriented toward conservative thinking. Kind of doesn't matter because we have what we have now, anyway.
                                Huh?

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