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Originally posted by gruesome View Post
Enrollment increased from 13,011 to 13,122 from 2017 to 2018. Couldn't find 2019 numbers, but I'm sure they're out there. Granted, the purported 5-8% increase in previous years has helped boost that overall number, I've heard from several sources that enrollment for 2019 is down. Additionally, with student loans becoming an increasing burden, I think we'll see enrollment numbers flatten or decline over the next decade.
I think TSU is skating on thin ice with regards to the student population growing and supporting a D1 athletic budget. The travel alone in the WAC will cost millions and I don't think the media money (as many have already mentioned) will be anything close to supporting those increased travel costs and expenses.
In the end, it's a D1 move for D1's sake. Lonn is now officially a D1 athletic director and will be forever enshrined as the AD that brought TSU out of D2 and into D1. How that fares for the university long term is anyone's guess.
What you could argue is the timing or the Conference. No, doubt it was just a matter of time with the growth that Tarleton would be moving up to D1. As I stated earlier the WAC somehow got one of the up and coming execs from the Mountain West to switch teams. I'm sure there are a lot of wheels turning at this time and we don't know what will happen. One thing is for definite sure Tarleton DID NOT spend their fortune on their football program to stop sponsoring it. Regardless of what division or conference or lack thereof, they will continue playing through transition and long after that.
Father Time will be the judge of this hasty move IMO.
BTW, the clock now starts on WT and East Texas (TAMUC).
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Originally posted by Techster88 View Post
Valid points. I wouldn't worry to much about the enrollment at Tarleton not continuing to grow in the short term and the long term. They have done an excellent job of positioning themselves for the future.
What you could argue is the timing or the Conference. No, doubt it was just a matter of time with the growth that Tarleton would be moving up to D1. As I stated earlier the WAC somehow got one of the up and coming execs from the Mountain West to switch teams. I'm sure there are a lot of wheels turning at this time and we don't know what will happen. One thing is for definite sure Tarleton DID NOT spend their fortune on their football program to stop sponsoring it. Regardless of what division or conference or lack thereof, they will continue playing through transition and long after that.
Father Time will be the judge of this hasty move IMO.
BTW, the clock now starts on WT and East Texas (TAMUC).
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Originally posted by gruesome View Post
It may depend a great deal on whether or not this athletic fee passes. This town hall meeting is very interesting and enlightening with regards to what's actually going on behind the scenes. The fee increase would bring the athletic fee revenue to close to $5.5 million based on my math previously in this thread.
Social media and the media at large has taken this story and run with it more than I thought. Mainly media... Social media does what social media does.
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Originally posted by gruesome View Post
What's wrong with Cecil Ballow?
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Originally posted by ASURAM2010 View Post
Compare it to ASU, WT, St. Mary's, heck even St. Ed's and then tell me. I mean I can't compare it to anything in the WAC but it holds about 100 people, bathrooms are 300 yards away from the field. Nothing "wrong" per se but just not a nice facility.
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Originally posted by ASURAM2010 View Post
Compare it to ASU, WT, St. Mary's, heck even St. Ed's and then tell me. I mean I can't compare it to anything in the WAC but it holds about 100 people, bathrooms are 300 yards away from the field. Nothing "wrong" per se but just not a nice facility.
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Originally posted by Vulpes88 View Post
What is going on behind the scenes? Not in Stephenville so I'm well out of the loop. Will the WAC have FCS football and any ideas which schools?
To put it in perspective, Dixie State's feasibility study mentioned that it should not join the WAC without football, so it stands to reason that their joining the conference was with a guarantee that FCS football would be brought on as a conference-sponsored sport.
As far as behind the scenes, your guess is as good as mine, but wisdomgymrat seems to be our most reliable source for insider information.
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Originally posted by WT_ALUM08 View PostI am worried about WT. I dont see a move to D1 unless Sharp and his cronies put some immense pressure on WT and force them. McBroom has never seemed interested in even entertaining the idea. So I think it will take the Mothership demanding it for that to be a consideration. 8 football schools is going to make scheduling a nightmare to find 4 OOC games in the LSC dang near impossible. Is it time to consider a move to the RMAC? WT fits the footprint of the RMAC and would replace Dixie State leaving. Would give the athletic program stability. RMAC is fully scholarship funded now. Yes we lose some of our natural rivals, but gain complete security and still have some relatively close opponents. Could schedule ENMU every year as our 1 OOC game.
I can just see a day where WNMU shuts down their football program. When that happens, the LSC football wise is one step away from being the GNAC. And if UTPB and UT Tyler follow the paths of their family brethren, they wont be D2 forever.
2. To what D1 conference would you propose that WT move?
3. From a state away, the LSC appears on more solid ground than it has in a long time. Even if the LSC dropped down to 5 or 6 football-playing schools, finding out-of-conference games isn't any big deal. Schools from the RMAC and MIAA would be delighted to schedule a home-and-home I would think. And if you have to travel to CA or WA or back east for a game, so be it. Better one or two plane trips for your football team than dozens of trips for in-conference games for your entire athletic program from now on.
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Originally posted by Herb Street View Post
1. Why would "Sharp and his cronies" put any sort of pressure on WT to force them to move to D1? Based on what logic?
2. To what D1 conference would you propose that WT move?
3. From a state away, the LSC appears on more solid ground than it has in a long time. Even if the LSC dropped down to 5 or 6 football-playing schools, finding out-of-conference games isn't any big deal. Schools from the RMAC and MIAA would be delighted to schedule a home-and-home I would think. And if you have to travel to CA or WA or back east for a game, so be it. Better one or two plane trips for your football team than dozens of trips for in-conference games for your entire athletic program from now on.
2. I'm not proposing they move to any D1 conference. Where in my post did I say that? I brought up the RMAC as a possible solution but never proposed that I thought we should go up.
3. RMAC has only allowed 1 OOC game. With Dixie State leaving Im assuming that will open up 2 which will give LSC more flexibility. GNAC opens up the possibility of a scheduling alliance, but that depends on how long the GNAC survives.
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Originally posted by WT_ALUM08 View Post
1. If their plan is to keep up with UT schools on the national stage and they think they only way to do that is to move their programs up I could see where that pressure would start to take place. Arrogance and pride makes people in high positions do funny and illogical things.
2. I'm not proposing they move to any D1 conference. Where in my post did I say that? I brought up the RMAC as a possible solution but never proposed that I thought we should go up.
3. RMAC has only allowed 1 OOC game. With Dixie State leaving Im assuming that will open up 2 which will give LSC more flexibility. GNAC opens up the possibility of a scheduling alliance, but that depends on how long the GNAC survives.
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if anyone thinks moving to the WAC is the oasis in the desert, read on.
https://info.umkc.edu/unews/costly-w...-umkcs-budget/
https://www.kcur.org/post/umkc-s-mov...udget#stream/0Last edited by Herb Street; 10-01-2019, 01:07 PM.
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