Portal Movement in the NSIC

[debergfan]

I don't pay much attention to anything under Class AAAA in MN. Are colleges really recruiting kids from non-MHS high schools in the area?

I mean, I'm sure there are some - especially from Pipestone, but I never hear of any. SMSU lands a guy from my HS about once every 3 years and he usually leaves the roster after a season on scout team.

Genuine question to any SWMNers on the board.

At least in the South, 7 on 7 is the main recruiting tool. http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/0...-football.html

[SW_Mustang]

At least in the South, 7 on 7 is the main recruiting tool. http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/0...-football.html

Link is broken.

Didn't realize 7-man was a thing. I'm a bit skeptical that it has a greater impact than the larger schools, but maybe it does. About the only schools I know outside of MN is IMG, Bishop O'Gorman, and Mater Dei.

[Brandon]

Link is broken.

Didn't realize 7-man was a thing. I'm a bit skeptical that it has a greater impact than the larger schools, but maybe it does. About the only schools I know outside of MN is IMG, Bishop O'Gorman, and Mater Dei.

7-on-7 not 7-man. The six skill players and a center versus a defense with no front.

[SW_Mustang]

7-on-7 not 7-man. The six skill players and a center versus a defense with no front.

Gotcha. I thought 7-man was a little odd, but like I said I know 3 schools beyond MN/SD.

Sounds interesting though.

[Brandon]

All of these info-heavy posts continue to drive home the fact that ND doesn’t have enough D2 level football talent to field 3 teams with local guys.

What does "D2 level" mean to you?

I was curious on the number of football players in each state. I couldn't find the answers. The best thing I could find is number total students enrolled in public schools in every state for fall of 2023.

Alabama - 712,800
Alaska - 155,200
Arizona - 1,295,500
Arkansas - 488,600
California - 6,742,400
Colorado - 954,000
Connecticut - 533,500
Delaware - 140,100
District of Columbia - 69,600
Florida - 3,032,800
Georgia - 1,809,700
Hawaii - 178,000
Idaho - 314,000
Illinois - 2,053,000
Indiana - 1,009,500
Iowa - 501,500
Kansas - 499,300
Kentucky - 668,500
Louisiana - 686,300
Maine - 187,200
Maryland - 969,000
Massachusetts - 926,100
Michigan - 1,473,300
Minnesota - 937,700
Mississippi - 458,600
Missouri - 930,000
Montana - 146,800
Nebraska - 316,400
Nevada - 534,700
New Hampshire - 186,400
New Jersey - 1,297,200
New Mexico - 339,600
New York - 2,652,600
North Carolina - 1,672,300
North Dakota - 107,800
Ohio - 1,664,100
Oklahoma - 690,300
Oregon - 626,600
Pennsylvania - 1,772,200
Rhode Island - 144,700
South Carolina - 770,600
South Dakota - 135,900
Tennessee - 1,081,100
Texas - 5,669,000
Utah - 704,600
Vermont - 91,200
Virginia - 1,370,300
Washington - 1,177,400
West Virginia - 253,100
Wisconsin - 886,900
Wyoming - 94,900

[Brandon]

Sorted....

01. California - 6,742,400
02. Texas - 5,669,000
03. Florida - 3,032,800
04. New York - 2,652,600
05. Illinois - 2,053,000
06. Georgia - 1,809,700
07. Pennsylvania - 1,772,200
08. North Carolina - 1,672,300
09. Ohio - 1,664,100
10. Michigan - 1,473,300
11. Virginia - 1,370,300
12. New Jersey - 1,297,200
13. Arizona - 1,295,500
14. Washington - 1,177,400
15. Tennessee - 1,081,100
16. Indiana - 1,009,500
17. Maryland - 969,000
18. Colorado - 954,000
19. Minnesota - 937,700
20. Missouri - 930,000
21. Massachusetts - 926,100
22. Wisconsin - 886,900
23. South Carolina - 770,600
24. Alabama - 712,800
25. Utah - 704,600
26. Oklahoma - 690,300
27. Louisiana - 686,300
28. Kentucky - 668,500
29. Oregon - 626,600
30. Nevada - 534,700
31. Connecticut - 533,500
32. Iowa - 501,500
33. Kansas - 499,300
34. Arkansas - 488,600
35. Mississippi - 458,600
36. New Mexico - 339,600
37. Nebraska - 316,400
38. Idaho - 314,000
39. West Virginia - 253,100
40. Maine - 187,200
41. New Hampshire - 186,400
42. Hawaii - 178,000
43. Alaska - 155,200
44. Montana - 146,800
45. Rhode Island - 144,700
46. Delaware - 140,100
47. South Dakota - 135,900
48. North Dakota - 107,800
49. District of Columbia - 69,600
50. Vermont - 91,200
51. Wyoming - 94,900

[SW_Mustang]

I would estimate 2,000-2,500 varsity HS football players in ND total last year.

I came up with a really rough estimate of 3,465, however that assumed an average roster of 33 players (Class A Lisbon was the guinea pig), but that was ~3x larger than the 9-man team I looked at (and they go down to 6-man apparently).



Used data right from the NDSHAA's website.

[Brandon]

I didn't want to try to find the data for 50 states, but I'd really be interested in reading it.

[SW_Mustang]

I didn't want to try to find the data for 50 states, but I'd really be interested in reading it.

Same - especially for states in the NE that aren't nearly as football heavy, and comparing states in the deep south with each other.

That math would take a lot of time, especially for the bigger states. I multiplied 33 × 105 to get a really rough estimate for ND - which is by no means accurate. Sure would be interesting though.

[Umdfan35]

Where did you hear that? PM me if it needs to be private.

As long as the scholarship level is 36 or less

[WBChargerDad]

I didn't want to try to find the data for 50 states, but I'd really be interested in reading it.

I've looked and looked, and while you can find total US data, I don't see it anywhere separated by state. I did find Wisconsins numbers from 2013, and they were a little over 27,000 football players (https://www.wissports.net/news_article/show/248455). Minnesota in 2019 was a little over 23,000 (https://www.startribune.com/high-sch...ars/558316042/).

[Purple Mav Man]

What does "D2 level" mean to you?

This almost gave me flashbacks of essay questions :)

Its pretty open-ended since not every player on a D2 team (football in particular) is D2 level. Just as not every player on a D1 team is D1 level. Also, not every player can play at the same time, or even in the same game.

But to give it my best shot: Someone who is recruited by a D2 institution and/or meaningfully contributes to the betterment* of a D2 team (be it practice, star player, etc).

*I was going to say success, but obviously not all teams achieve success via wins/losses. So that’s also very subjective. I also wrestled with, if a team consistently isn’t successful and only wins 1-2 games each year, do they even have D2 caliber players to begin with? Certainly some, but enough for a 2-deep, or even a full 22? So betterment won. Ha.






San Dimas High School football rules!!!!

[Brandon]

Dude you made me laugh out loud.

I hope I didn't cause any PTSD to flare up.

[laker]

This almost gave me flashbacks of essay questions :)

One of my favorite essay questions on my college geography class that I taught: Define the "Midwest". Another was "Define Southwest Minnesota"- the region, not the school.

[SW_Mustang]

One of my favorite essay questions on my college geography class that I taught: Define the "Midwest". Another was "Define Southwest Minnesota"- the region, not the school.

I once saw a tweet that described both as the following:

"There's nothing here except beer and corn"

I wish I would have saved it. It's long gone. True or not, I always got a chuckle out of it.