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  • Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

    I don't pay much attention to anything under Class AAAA in MN. Are colleges really recruiting kids from non-MHS high schools in the area?

    I mean, I'm sure there are some - especially from Pipestone, but I never hear of any. SMSU lands a guy from my HS about once every 3 years and he usually leaves the roster after a season on scout team.

    Genuine question to any SWMNers on the board.
    The MSHSL lists Dawson-Boyd has an enrollment of 143. Over the last 15ish years...
    Nate Huot (Was at one point the NSIC's all-time leading receiver)
    Michael Lee (For SMSU men's basketball, started 90 of 125 career games)
    Zach Stratmoen (started every game from his sophomore to senior season)
    Zach Durfee (I think we all know the story by now)
    Eli Weber (second team D2 All-American)
    Brayson Boike (HS junior already has a basketball offer from SDSU)

    Those are just some standouts...many others have gone on to play D2/D3 sports out of one of the smallest high schools in our region.

    Coach Underwood had success recruiting a Minneota kid in his St Cloud days. A TMB kid is a lineman for the Gophers.

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    • Also in the last 15ish years from one school and only football:

      (copied from their website, so apologies for formatting errors and D3/NAIA inclusions - as well as non-current teams/school name)

      LAKEVILLE SOUTH PLAYERS WHO PLAYED COLLEGE AND PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL

      Ryder Patterson (2022) - University of Minnesota - Duluth

      Owen McCloud (2022) - University of North Dakota

      Carson Hansen (2022) - Iowa State University

      Brecken Klein (2022) - Winona State University

      Jacob Dorner (2022) - Minnesota State University - Moorhead

      Jacob Royse (2022) - University of Wisconsin - Stout

      Jackson Hall (2022) - University of Wisconsin - Stout

      Jaden Groen (2022) - Dordt

      Evan Barnett (2022) - University of Minnesota - Morris

      Alex Vazquez (2021) - MSU Mankato

      Camden Dean (2021) - MSU Mankato

      Payton Schulz (2021) - Concordia - St. Paul

      Zach Juckel (2021) - Air Force Academy

      Hasan Kassim (2021) - Concordia - St. Paul

      Joey Ulmen (2021) - Concordia - St. Paul

      Chase Androff (2021) - Nebraska

      Ty WInn (2021) - Concordia Moorhead

      Delaney Suraju (2021) - University of St Thomas

      John Olson (2020) - Air Force

      Riley Mahlman (2020) - Wisconsin

      Jonathan Elliott (2020) - University of Mary

      Garrett Savard (2020) - UW - Whitewater

      Jonas Pearson (2020) - Concordia University - Moorehead

      Joe Abbott (2020) - Augsburg College

      Derek Ashland (2020) - Augsburg College

      Jared Stewart (2019) - University of Minnesota-Duluth

      Matt Borowicz (2018) - South Dakota State University

      Zach Stelzer (2018) - Moorhead State University

      Eric Rousemiller (2017) - University of Minnesota

      Burk Substad (2016) - Bethel University (MN)

      Clay Geary (2016) - University of Minnesota

      Jack Swanhorst (2016) - Augustana University

      Mason Kohlbeck (2016) - Augustana University

      Kyle Martin (2016) - Concordia College

      Will Heller (2016) - University of Wisconsin-Stout

      Anthony Vote (2016) - University of Wisconsin-LaCrosse

      Blake Wacholz (2016) - University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire

      Mason Kohlbeck (2015) - Augustana University

      Josh Corcoran (2015) - LOS ANGELES CHARGERS, Northern Illinois University

      Ryan Kretzschmar (2015) - Augustana College

      Grant Mosser (2015) - John's Hopkins University

      A.J. Westrude (2014) – South Dakota State University

      Tyler Lattery (2014) – University of Minnesota-Duluth

      Alex Hoffman (2014) – Bemidji State University

      Luke Iverson (2014) – University of St. Thomas

      Mark Ruhl (2014) – University of St. Thomas

      Brendan Boche (2014) - Gustavus Adolphus

      Grant Seger (2013) - Bemidji State University

      Travis Soleta (2013) - North Dakota State College of Science

      Jordan Johnson (2013) - Bemidji State University

      Austin Britnell (2013) - UND Fighting Sioux

      Nevin Andreas (2012) - Augustana College

      Scott Newby (2012) - Gustavus Adolphus College

      Devon Bzoskie (2012) - St Cloud State University

      Matt Heller (2012) - Augustana College

      Matt Mehlhorn (2012) - Bethel University

      Zach Richter (2012) - Augustana College

      Matt Leidner (2012) - University of Minnesota

      Travis Soleta (2012) - North Dakota State College of Science

      Tyler Woodward (2011) - Augsburg College

      Mitch Hall (2011) - University of Missouri

      Mitch Leidner (2011) - MINNESOTA VIKINGS, University of Minnesota

      Caleb Seger (2011)- University of Minnesota-Crookston

      JD Melhorn (2010) - Bethel University

      Brady Soule (2007) - Augustana College

      Nick Andreas (2007) - Augustana College

      Dirk Wilkens (2007) - Augustana College

      Marcus Brumm (2007) - Augustana College

      Zach Martens (2007) - MInnesota State-Mankato

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      • Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

        I don't pay much attention to anything under Class AAAA in MN. Are colleges really recruiting kids from non-MHS high schools in the area?

        I mean, I'm sure there are some - especially from Pipestone, but I never hear of any. SMSU lands a guy from my HS about once every 3 years and he usually leaves the roster after a season on scout team.

        Genuine question to any SWMNers on the board.
        Good coaches find talent anywhere. And in today’s world, talent can reach out much easier and be seen/found.

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        • One thing that the portal is going to diminish even further is the concept of player/roster development. Finding these kids who come into your program undersized, but through weight room and good diet and nutrition planning can leave the program 5 years later as a physically imposing presence on the football field.

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          • Originally posted by Purple Mav Man View Post
            Also in the last 15ish years from one school and only football:
            No one is denying that metro areas have talent. No one is even denying that NSIC programs should recruit the Twin Cities. But there are also plenty of other places to find talent closer to home rather than outsourcing your program to Florida, Texas or Nevada.

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            • Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post
              I don't pay much attention to anything under Class AAAA in MN. Are colleges really recruiting kids from non-MHS high schools in the area? I mean, I'm sure there are some - especially from Pipestone, but I never hear of any. SMSU lands a guy from my HS about once every 3 years and he usually leaves the roster after a season on scout team.

              Genuine question to any SWMNers on the board.
              Personally I'm sure glad Coach Grubb and DeBoer didn't ignore SW MN. Or maybe because we beat MHS regularly as wee AA school (RIP to the SWC) I got noticed. The entire USF progam was built with underrecruited Wyoming and SD guys with some Iowa and MN guys like myself. No different now really. Joining the NSIC has just shifted recruiting as coaches and the talent landscape changes but the premise for every program in this conference is essentially the same. Coach Glo has said as much on our pod. It's really a matter of salesmanship and success on Saturdays for who can do it better.

              Originally posted by Stanger86 View Post
              No one is denying that metro areas have talent. No one is even denying that NSIC programs should recruit the Twin Cities. But there are also plenty of other places to find talent closer to home rather than outsourcing your program to Florida, Texas or Nevada.
              This is why they need to bring back the Metro vs. Outstate format for the Minnesota HS football all-star game. Loved the chip on the shoulder mentality of this game. Series was pretty even too over 30 years.
              4x 'Crackerjack' NAIA National Champions - 1996, 2006, 2008, 2009
              2016 NSIC Champions
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              • Originally posted by Brandon View Post
                Sorted....


                02. Texas - 5,669,000
                And that is just counting Allen High School and the 12 High Schools in Frisco.

                Sorry the math talk had my head spinning and I have to make jokes sometimes, back to yalls math exercise.

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                • Originally posted by Stanger86 View Post

                  The MSHSL lists Dawson-Boyd has an enrollment of 143. Over the last 15ish years...
                  Nate Huot (Was at one point the NSIC's all-time leading receiver)
                  Michael Lee (For SMSU men's basketball, started 90 of 125 career games)
                  Zach Stratmoen (started every game from his sophomore to senior season)
                  Zach Durfee (I think we all know the story by now)
                  Eli Weber (second team D2 All-American)
                  Brayson Boike (HS junior already has a basketball offer from SDSU)

                  Those are just some standouts...many others have gone on to play D2/D3 sports out of one of the smallest high schools in our region.

                  Coach Underwood had success recruiting a Minneota kid in his St Cloud days. A TMB kid is a lineman for the Gophers.
                  I was talking about football specifically. Basketball is a different beast and I don't really follow the sport beyond losely paying attention to the NSIC.

                  Huot is a good example. I really miss the guy. One of the best WRs in school (and conference) history.

                  To clarify, I would like to see SMSU recruit more locally. I think it's the best way to build local interest in the program. But I watch rosters closely and rarely see locals on the board. Maybe that's not attributed to talent and is rather administrative incompetence, but I don't know.

                  All I know is that Minneota seems to keep winning the A tournament and I never really hear of anyone coming out of there, at least with any sort of regularity. Then there's my old high school which has a couple names but not too many.

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                  • Originally posted by Stanger86 View Post
                    No one is denying that metro areas have talent. No one is even denying that NSIC programs should recruit the Twin Cities. But there are also plenty of other places to find talent closer to home rather than outsourcing your program to Florida, Texas or Nevada.
                    Right. And no one is saying there isn’t any talent in small schools. There just happens to be a whole lot less of it. Even fewer people are saying that teams must outsource their roster to Florida, Texas or Nevada. Out of state? Sure. And I guess if I were a coach, those are states I’d keep an eye on since there so much talent and highly competitive football played there. Having a 3rd team in ND will dilute that pool even more.

                    Why does SW recruit a ton of CA and AZ players. 2023 roster shows 24 players from CA/Phoenix/Vegas. That’s a very big percentage with so much local talent available.

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                    • Originally posted by Purple Mav Man View Post
                      Why does SW recruit a ton of CA and AZ players. 2023 roster shows 24 players from CA/Phoenix/Vegas. That’s a very big percentage with so much local talent available.
                      That was a major focus of the Sauter regime. And Bullerman, who is still on staff, has been the man responsible for that recruiting territory. Those areas are also where you usually get most of the JUCO kids. I believe there are only a few high schoolers recruited under Underwood from Nevada, California and Arizona.

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                      • Originally posted by Otis Day View Post

                        Personally I'm sure glad Coach Grubb and DeBoer didn't ignore SW MN. Or maybe because we beat MHS regularly as wee AA school (RIP to the SWC) I got noticed. The entire USF progam was built with underrecruited Wyoming and SD guys with some Iowa and MN guys like myself. No different now really. Joining the NSIC has just shifted recruiting as coaches and the talent landscape changes but the premise for every program in this conference is essentially the same. Coach Glo has said as much on our pod. It's really a matter of salesmanship and success on Saturdays for who can do it better
                        I would definitely like to see more SWMN kids get picked up by area schools. I shouldn't have implied I don't want to see that - assuming they have the talent, the upside for SMSU specifically is massive.

                        I just monitor the roster and they don't seem to acquire very many, or at least haven't over the last 6-ish years.

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                        • Originally posted by Stanger86 View Post

                          That was a major focus of the Sauter regime. And Bullerman, who is still on staff, has been the man responsible for that recruiting territory. Those areas are also where you usually get most of the JUCO kids. I believe there are only a few high schoolers recruited under Underwood from Nevada, California and Arizona.
                          We also had Shay McClure, who was the former HC of Dixie State and had many, many deep connections in the SWUS.

                          Bullerman was primarily responsibile for recruiting that part of the world, but I believe I also heard that McClure did a fair share before he left.

                          The would-be freshman class of 2020 actually had some very high ranking recruits, but ultimately fell flat due to Covid. Wheels fell off after that.

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                          • Originally posted by Stanger86 View Post

                            That was a major focus of the Sauter regime. And Bullerman, who is still on staff, has been the man responsible for that recruiting territory. Those areas are also where you usually get most of the JUCO kids. I believe there are only a few high schoolers recruited under Underwood from Nevada, California and Arizona.
                            That’s more of an answer as to ‘how’ rather than ‘why’ :)

                            At the end of the day, I don’t care where the players come from. It just seems odd that coaches would continue to spend a ton to recruit players that have been shown less likely to stick around, especially if there’s so much local talent available. Perhaps they know more about said local talent…

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                            • Originally posted by Purple Mav Man View Post

                              That’s more of an answer as to ‘how’ rather than ‘why’ :)

                              At the end of the day, I don’t care where the players come from. It just seems odd that coaches would continue to spend a ton to recruit players that have been shown less likely to stick around, especially if there’s so much local talent available. Perhaps they know more about said local talent…
                              You don't have to care about it, because it's a lot easier to keep kids from transferring in a city like Mankato. In smaller cities further away from metro areas, it absolutely needs to be part of the discussion if you don't want a 50% turnover rate year after year.

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                              • Originally posted by Stanger86 View Post

                                You don't have to care about it, because it's a lot easier to keep kids from transferring in a city like Mankato. In smaller cities further away from metro areas, it absolutely needs to be part of the discussion if you don't want a 50% turnover rate year after year.
                                Then I ask again, why recruit those players if there is enough local talent that presumably wouldn’t transfer?

                                We’ve now come full circle to remote (ND) schools and not having enough local players to have a predominantly local rosters.

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