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Have I missed something - what's happened to Garvin Clarke. Is he still with the programme?
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Originally posted by IUP24 View Post
Agree with all of that. I don't begrudge anyone for doing it. I just don't necessarily know that there is financial benefit from it for a lot of them, compared to just using their degree and starting their career. That's just me though. If you do it for a year or two, I think that's probably low risk in the long run. If you hang on, that could be a bad decision.
But again, to each their own.
I think it's largely a status thing for most. I'd assume most D2 guys over there know the Chicago Bulls aren't calling.
As mentioned, if you can get up to the upper levels the money is pretty decent.
That said, the vast majority we see go over to play are only there a year or two (if that).
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Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
I think part of it is kids’ minds are still functioning more like a college athlete than someone who’s been a working professional or “real” adult. There’s probably still a dream there that they’ll get noticed combined with being able to say “I played pro ball” and not being quite ready to move on. Most of these guys will have been playing for between 15-20 years and it has been a big part of their lives and it’s just hard to shut it off if there are still opportunities. As you point out though, there might be a price to be paid down the line.
Some might also have the luxury of not having to “adult” right away. If that’s the case, cool. I know I was sweating bullets when I graduated knowing student loans would be coming due and I needed to get a big boy job fast. That’s not the case for a lot of these high level players that were on scholarship. As far as that goes, have fun for as long as you can, although I’m not sure playing in Ukraine would be a whole lot of fun these days.
But again, to each their own.
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Originally posted by IUPHawks24 View Post
Did you make 70-80k in your first job out of college? That’s a lot of money in professional basketball for rookies with the exception of NBA/fringe NBA guys.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to be playing for 25k when I’m 30 years old, but doing so for a couple years after college isn’t going to cripple you financially. You start your working career at 25 instead of 23. At least that’s how I look at it.
Like I said.. To each their own. I just would like to have a clearer understanding of what the salaries are in some of these places. As you said, you aren't going to get crippled financially if you quit when you realize it's over. I know somebody who couldn't give up the dream. He would have been far better joining the workforce at 23.
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Originally posted by IUP24 View PostI am perhaps in a different camp than everyone else. If you are in a league where you are making 100k+, then that's pretty darn good. I would even say, 70-80k too. That is probably worth doing. But I also wonder what the actual salary of some of these down the line leagues are. Totally recognizing that there are some deals where you can get meal stipends, or some living expenses covered. I also wonder what the dollar figure is for a lot of these guys to just sit there and say, "this isn't worth it."
I've made a similar post here before when this topic has popped up and most have vehemently disagreed with me. That's okay. I get your athletic career is limited and the opportunities to get paid to play a sport are here and gone in a flash. All that said, if you are making less playing overseas than you are starting your career in your profession, is that really worth it? To me, saying you get to live in Croatia for 10 months isn't. But that's my personal decision. I'm just curious at what some of these lower tier leagues are actually paying. But that's certainly not to disparage anyone playing in those leagues.
I went to high school with somebody who ended up playing hockey professionally in the Southern Professional Hockey League. That's a pro hockey league that is the 4th tier of pro hockey in North America (NHL, AHL, ECHL), but is unaffiliated (unlike the AHL and ECHL). You are simply playing because you are holding out hope that your dream is going to eventually be fulfilled. The decision to do that set him back financially. A lot.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to be playing for 25k when I’m 30 years old, but doing so for a couple years after college isn’t going to cripple you financially. You start your working career at 25 instead of 23. At least that’s how I look at it.
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Originally posted by IUP24 View PostI am perhaps in a different camp than everyone else. If you are in a league where you are making 100k+, then that's pretty darn good. I would even say, 70-80k too. That is probably worth doing. But I also wonder what the actual salary of some of these down the line leagues are. Totally recognizing that there are some deals where you can get meal stipends, or some living expenses covered. I also wonder what the dollar figure is for a lot of these guys to just sit there and say, "this isn't worth it."
I've made a similar post here before when this topic has popped up and most have vehemently disagreed with me. That's okay. I get your athletic career is limited and the opportunities to get paid to play a sport are here and gone in a flash. All that said, if you are making less playing overseas than you are starting your career in your profession, is that really worth it? To me, saying you get to live in Croatia for 10 months isn't. But that's my personal decision. I'm just curious at what some of these lower tier leagues are actually paying. But that's certainly not to disparage anyone playing in those leagues.
I went to high school with somebody who ended up playing hockey professionally in the Southern Professional Hockey League. That's a pro hockey league that is the 4th tier of pro hockey in North America (NHL, AHL, ECHL), but is unaffiliated (unlike the AHL and ECHL). You are simply playing because you are holding out hope that your dream is going to eventually be fulfilled. The decision to do that set him back financially. A lot.
Some might also have the luxury of not having to “adult” right away. If that’s the case, cool. I know I was sweating bullets when I graduated knowing student loans would be coming due and I needed to get a big boy job fast. That’s not the case for a lot of these high level players that were on scholarship. As far as that goes, have fun for as long as you can, although I’m not sure playing in Ukraine would be a whole lot of fun these days.
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I am perhaps in a different camp than everyone else. If you are in a league where you are making 100k+, then that's pretty darn good. I would even say, 70-80k too. That is probably worth doing. But I also wonder what the actual salary of some of these down the line leagues are. Totally recognizing that there are some deals where you can get meal stipends, or some living expenses covered. I also wonder what the dollar figure is for a lot of these guys to just sit there and say, "this isn't worth it."
I've made a similar post here before when this topic has popped up and most have vehemently disagreed with me. That's okay. I get your athletic career is limited and the opportunities to get paid to play a sport are here and gone in a flash. All that said, if you are making less playing overseas than you are starting your career in your profession, is that really worth it? To me, saying you get to live in Croatia for 10 months isn't. But that's my personal decision. I'm just curious at what some of these lower tier leagues are actually paying. But that's certainly not to disparage anyone playing in those leagues.
I went to high school with somebody who ended up playing hockey professionally in the Southern Professional Hockey League. That's a pro hockey league that is the 4th tier of pro hockey in North America (NHL, AHL, ECHL), but is unaffiliated (unlike the AHL and ECHL). You are simply playing because you are holding out hope that your dream is going to eventually be fulfilled. The decision to do that set him back financially. A lot.Last edited by IUP24; 08-03-2024, 06:27 PM.
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And probably should note for Marcel and Cobo, they're just playing at "home."
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Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
I think this is probably the greatest value. I’d be surprised if even 1% ever moved through these leagues and eventually into the NBA, but what a neat experience that you could put on a resume and talk about in a job interview.
Cobo has had a good career and is probably making a decent living. It's not even a sniff of NBA money, obviously, as bench guys in the NBA make millions.
Sleva has also had a very good career overseas and actually got a run with Golden State's Summer League team last year.
It doesn't seem like those guys have been gone so long now but they have.
Our 'bigs' have a much better chance of catching on in the higher leagues.
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Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
I think this is probably the greatest value. I’d be surprised if even 1% ever moved through these leagues and eventually into the NBA, but what a neat experience that you could put on a resume and talk about in a job interview.
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Originally posted by Ship69 View Post
I think it's a great experience for a young athlete in most cases. You get to broaden your cultural horizons and get housing and some money while you're doing it. One of my wife's cousins has a grandson who is an excellent baseball player. He was able to play two seasons in Australian and in addition to a decent salary had the use of a car pllus room and board. I sometimes wish I'd found a way to do some overseas travel long before I actually did.
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Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
I have a lot of questions about these pro basketball leagues overseas. Do they get much of a following? Does anyone show up to watch the games? Do any of these teams pay well?
I’ve caught some occasional video of overseas games and what I’ve seen is mostly empty gyms. I think it’s nice that the opportunity is there for guys to continue playing after college but I really know almost nothing about it.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Like anything else, it's kind of a work your way up thing. The leagues that Dustin Sleva and Cobo Diaz are now in are very high-profile (over there) and they are probably making a pretty decent salary (I'd guess $150k or $200k USD). They both kept getting elevated as the years have passed.
It's really a tier-type system.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
The pay is mediocre but the benefits are pretty good. Most provide free housing with other players and meal stipends.
Like anything else, it's kind of a work your way up thing. The leagues that Dustin Sleva and Cobo Diaz are now in are very high-profile (over there) and they are probably making a pretty decent salary (I'd guess $150k or $200k USD). They both kept getting elevated as the years have passed.
It's really a tier-type system.
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