Iup basketball

[IUPalum]

Armoni is signing with Buffalo.

He'll get a lot of run there but I just don't think it helps is stock playing in that conference!

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Armoni is signing with Buffalo.

[boatcapt]

Sadly "flash before fundamentals" is now a part of a good deal of the national culture including writing, music, art, business and, of course, sports. My guess it's only going to get worse.

Everybody want's their 15 minutes of fame. On the basketball court you get that fame by thunder dunks and "breaking your opponent's ankles" in the open court. Doesn't matter if it takes a full season of trying, as long as you can put together a fire 5 minute sizzle tape of you dunking and taking the ball to the hole that will draw thousands of Twitter and YouTube likes...THAT'S what it's all about!!! You certainly don't get that from defense, sound fundamentals and popping short, unspectacular jumpers from the elbow. Those ain't going to generate nearly enough likes so why even bother.

[NWFanatic]

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[CALUPA69]

I went to a big AAU tourney with teams from many midwest states. Few team concepts were on display. Mostly 1 on 1 or 2 man offense. I asked a coach that I knew at a break, "Does AAU have a rule forbidding full court press pressure?"

He laughed and said that he only knew of 1 team that presses- from Cincinnati area.

It was a shame to see such gifted athletes with such a limited understanding of the game and who make fundamental errors.

Sadly "flash before fundamentals" is now a part of a good deal of the national culture including writing, music, art, business and, of course, sports. My guess it's only going to get worse.

[Columbuseer]

Perhaps, although a lot of the D1 players who attend camps and play AAU ball still seem to has some noticeable holes in their game. Any kid who can learn to shoot a consistent pull-up jump shot at the elbow should be able to pick up a lot of extra points these days.

I went to a big AAU tourney with teams from many midwest states. Few team concepts were on display. Mostly 1 on 1 or 2 man offense. I asked a coach that I knew at a break, "Does AAU have a rule forbidding full court press pressure?"

He laughed and said that he only knew of 1 team that presses- from Cincinnati area.

It was a shame to see such gifted athletes with such a limited understanding of the game and who make fundamental errors.

[Ship69]

Unless the parents can afford the pricey camps especially common for basketball players. If the kids pay attention in these surroundings, they will catch the eyes of those few remaining college coaches who still value game intelligence and effort over only flashy stats.

Perhaps, although a lot of the D1 players who attend camps and play AAU ball still seem to has some noticeable holes in their game. Any kid who can learn to shoot a consistent pull-up jump shot at the elbow should be able to pick up a lot of extra points these days.

[CALUPA69]

Unless the parents can afford the pricey camps especially common for basketball players. If the kids pay attention in these surroundings, they will catch the eyes of those few remaining college coaches who still value game intelligence and effort over only flashy stats.

[Ship69]

So good that they forgot what defense was.

[Columbuseer]

You really hate everything outside of small college basketball, don't you? LOL

Hate is a strong, often misused word. It is often used in the fallacy of the false dichotomy, which is very prevalent today- if you disagree with X, then you hate X.

But it does seem quite obvious that d1 basketball is corrupt and exploits athletes.

I like:

• Gonzaga
• Golden State
• Unselfish play
• Brilliant pass or assist over a dunk
• High basketball IQs
• Schools that are not corrupt and have meaningful majors for their athletes.
• Equal opportunity for gifted athletes to possibly make it to the professional ranks, regardless of their SAT scores; i.e., decouple d1 from colleges and recognize it for what it is - a minor league. Replace recruiting with a draft and salary cap. Give them something like a GI bill to go to college or trade school of their choice after 5 years. Only usa ties post secondary athletics to college attendance. That would get rid of much of the corruption.

[IUPalum]

The D1 game gets knocked ... but the Duke vs Carolina game in the Final Four was one of the best games I've ever seen.

So good that they forgot what defense was.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The D1 game gets knocked ... but the Duke vs Carolina game in the Final Four was one of the best games I've ever seen.

[IUP24]

The odds are clearly with the d1 team. To have a chance:

1. You can't play their (d1) game. If your style imitates traditional d1 high ball screen style for a scoring guard, just with smaller players, you have almost no shot. You have to make d1 team play a different style. This was the strategy of Lemoyne when they beat #25 Syracuse in Nov 2009. Read quotes from players and coaches below. All the stats were close except points in the paint 42-30 LeMoyne. Go figure.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ory?id=4620949

2. It helps if the d1 team has not played together much. Definitely want to play d1 early. Not a problem with transfer portal. Lol

3. Synergy is often missing in d1 teams. The extra pass, no heat check shots, drawing fouls and treasuring each possession as gold are critical for d2. The number of ball reversals is positively correlated with open shots and high points per possession.

4. D1 teams love their dunks. With instant transition to offense, You can get easy baskets as they mug to the crowd following a dunk. You have a chance if all your players can shoot the three and draw d1 bigs outside. They are not comfortable guarding quicker players.

5. You must spread the floor to help create rebounding lanes. Remember 90% of rebounds are taken below the rim.

You really hate everything outside of small college basketball, don't you? LOL

[IUPbigINDIANS]

All your opinions sound plausible... if the d1 school is up by 20+ points.
suggest you access post game articles by iowa coach and players after losing in 2015.
when findlay beat ohio state in 2007, there was no experimenting and there was no don't care scrimmage attitude. They could not stay in front of marcus parker. And the fans were irate after the loss.
Not scientific, but when an elite team beats or nearly beats a p5 level team, the d1 exhibitions seem to dry up for them in subsequent years

probably need to take this topic to the d1 thread.

IUP's last two they put scares in to Kentucky and Illinois for 30-34 minutes. Both played their rotations the whole game.

[Columbuseer]

I thought it was clear that we were talking hypothetically. Kind of like saying who would win in a football game between the 2018 Clemson Tigers and the 2004 USC Trojans or who would win a series between the 65 Celtics of Bill Russell and Hondo Havlicek and the 87 Lakers of Magic and Kareem. Game(s) are clearly never going to happen but fans still have opinions that they post loudly and proudly on message boards.

But again, scrimmages, particularly D1 v DII are different than regular season games. For a D1, the scrimmage is just a glorafied preseason practice against players they have never heard of playing for a school they probably have never heard of either...For the DII, this is a target "game" that they circle on their calandar. For D1 coaches, these scrimmages are practices were they try player combinations that they probably would never try during a "real" game...let's see how the new transfer shooting guard can handle being the PG or if we need to play small ball, what would our offense look like or we don't regularly play zone, lets run some consecutive possessions were we run a zone. DII coaches see it as a validation that they are just as good as a D1 and pull out all the stops...best players running their "A" offense and defense...Also a good recruting tool in the off season...Hew Jimmy Bob, did you see that our boys gave Kentucky a scare at Rupp Arena last year? You know, we're playing Duke this year and you'd look good a Cameron Indoor going toe to toe with them!

All your opinions sound plausible... if the d1 school is up by 20+ points.
suggest you access post game articles by iowa coach and players after losing in 2015.
when findlay beat ohio state in 2007, there was no experimenting and there was no don't care scrimmage attitude. They could not stay in front of marcus parker. And the fans were irate after the loss.
Not scientific, but when an elite team beats or nearly beats a p5 level team, the d1 exhibitions seem to dry up for them in subsequent years

probably need to take this topic to the d1 thread.