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[hawks16]

We'll know long before November.

Who needs me???

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Guess that Hawks16 knows it all. Where was he all year? hahahaha

I do remember the days (pre-social media) when they'd keep that roster sealed in the vault under the Field House until essentially opening night.

Nowadays, though, that roster leaks quickly. The only secret heading in to the official roster reveal will be the deep bench -- and, most years, that leaks on here, too. Twitter, etc., has meant they can't even hide the local walk-on from Saltsburg signing anymore.

[IUPalum]

We'll know long before November.

Guess that Hawks16 knows it all. Where was he all year? hahahaha

[IUPbigINDIANS]

When the roster gets posted on Nov. 10, we'll see how right you are.

We'll know long before November.

[hawks16]

Question becomes how long does Joe hold out. My guess is not very long.

I think Dallis Dillard will be Joe's next star, but I'm not sure that will happen this coming winter. I think he's poised to breakout the following two years.

It's pretty safe to say right now the starting lineup come early November is:

PG - ?
G - David Morris
G - Shawndale Jones
F - Ethan Porterfield
F - Tomiwa Sulaiman

Bench: Kyle Polce, Dillard, Damir Brooks, Radford, Diop, KJ


I woudn't be shocked if he adds not only a PG but also another hybrid SF/SG.

This has to be treated as an 'all in' year. I doubt they get more than the coming season out of Tomiwa. After next year, Ethan could also decide to move along for his senior year.

We have to pray Shawndale's recovery goes smooth, too. From what I hear, he's doing exceptionally well.

When the roster gets posted on Nov. 10, we'll see how right you are.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Question becomes how long does Joe hold out. My guess is not very long.

I think Dallis Dillard will be Joe's next star, but I'm not sure that will happen this coming winter. I think he's poised to breakout the following two years.

It's pretty safe to say right now the starting lineup come early November is:

PG - ?
G - David Morris
G - Shawndale Jones
F - Ethan Porterfield
F - Tomiwa Sulaiman

Bench: Kyle Polce, Dillard, Damir Brooks, Radford, Diop, KJ


I woudn't be shocked if he adds not only a PG but also another hybrid SF/SG.

This has to be treated as an 'all in' year. I doubt they get more than the coming season out of Tomiwa. After next year, Ethan could also decide to move along for his senior year.

We have to pray Shawndale's recovery goes smooth, too. From what I hear, he's doing exceptionally well.

[ironmaniup]

Oh I agree - but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. D1 is something to brag about, not as much winning a PSAC championship. A lot of D2 stars have a chip on their shoulders about D1 so its hard to pass up similar to what you see with mid-majors.

I think that chip on the shoulder is the key here. They want to see how they would do, play against much better players. As someone said, they likely won't play in the pros, so at least they get to say they played against guys that do. I don't think less playing time, etc. is a consideration. Its that one chance to say you played against the best.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Good example. It could be argued that d1 actually hindered his development, more than just the limited minutes. Comparing freshman year to senior year:
wlu-->csu
3pt % 48%-->34%
ft % 84%-->74%
Fg% 53%-- 46%

Assist to turnover ratio. 1 72--> 1 1
Minutes 26 mins --> 16 mins

Had he stayed at wlu, he had an outside chance of playing overseas, although his slight build would have been a hindrance.


as long as he is happy with his decision and the outcome, that is all that matters

We sometimes put too much stock in to playing overseas. I've got to know a ton of basketball players who have come through IUP and very few have even wanted to play after college.

The majority of those who have will come back and pretty much say it wasn't a good experience. The truly elite D2 players -- Dustin Sleva, etc. -- can actually catch on in the higher levels over there and make some actual money. But, most end up in Siberia-type places playing for peanuts and enduring terrible living conditions. Most stay a year -- two at the max -- and then get started with life after basketball.

[Fightingscot82]

Yahel Hill left West Liberty to play 16 mpg and make zero starts as a senior at Cleveland State.

I just hope many of these guys realize the risk they are taking ... going from being stars to potential pine riders.

The Cleveland State's of the world are hardly glamorous. Not to say D2 is, either, but you can at least play 35 mpg on elite teams.

Oh I agree - but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. D1 is something to brag about, not as much winning a PSAC championship. A lot of D2 stars have a chip on their shoulders about D1 so its hard to pass up similar to what you see with mid-majors.

[Columbuseer]

Yahel Hill left West Liberty to play 16 mpg and make zero starts as a senior at Cleveland State.

I just hope many of these guys realize the risk they are taking ... going from being stars to potential pine riders.

The Cleveland State's of the world are hardly glamorous. Not to say D2 is, either, but you can at least play 35 mpg on elite teams.

Good example. It could be argued that d1 actually hindered his development, more than just the limited minutes. Comparing freshman year to senior year:
wlu-->csu
3pt % 48%-->34%
ft % 84%-->74%
Fg% 53%-- 46%

Assist to turnover ratio. 1 72--> 1 1
Minutes 26 mins --> 16 mins

Had he stayed at wlu, he had an outside chance of playing overseas, although his slight build would have been a hindrance.


as long as he is happy with his decision and the outcome, that is all that matters

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The fact that he'll be a grad transfer increases the likelihood he goes D1. Its like some of the D1 grad transfers we've seen in football. If you already have your degree in hand, now you can play a year of D1 ball for free and say you've played D1 and increase your looks for pro ball. It will probably come down to D1 bragging rights or the chance to win a championship at IUP.

Yahel Hill left West Liberty to play 16 mpg and make zero starts as a senior at Cleveland State.

I just hope many of these guys realize the risk they are taking ... going from being stars to potential pine riders.

The Cleveland State's of the world are hardly glamorous. Not to say D2 is, either, but you can at least play 35 mpg on elite teams.

[Fightingscot82]

The fact that he'll be a grad transfer increases the likelihood he goes D1. Its like some of the D1 grad transfers we've seen in football. If you already have your degree in hand, now you can play a year of D1 ball for free and say you've played D1 and increase your looks for pro ball. It will probably come down to D1 bragging rights or the chance to win a championship at IUP.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

D1 isn't exactly dying for 5'9" PGs with one year of eligibility. Mulbah and McIntosh are both in that 5'9" range.

I get it ... this is part of the process nowadays. But, the clock will strike midnight soon for many of these D1 hopefuls. Reality will set it. Then ... most will need to quickly find a home. There's only so many spots. Some have no chance. Many just got bad advice from somebody and chose to leave good situations.

The trickle down is it creates less and less spots for high school recruits. Initially, that should mean more quality players fall to D2. That is until they all do the same thing in a year or two.

[ironmaniup]

The quickest fixes are either Mulbah or McIntosh.

Both have one year and form a perfect bridge until Dallis takes over his junior year. Not only that, both are really good.

Mulbaha's explosiveness in that lineup would be nasty.

If you sign one and Armoni comes back ... oh well. All the better.

Bur, if I'm and... the limo is being sent for Mulbah.

[IUPHawks24]

He's a grad transfer so IUP has no say in it. But, yes, I'm sure they will help.

My guess would be if it comes down to some D1 outpost like Robert Morris or IUP ... he'd come back.