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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostThe Robert Morris women's team hired an assistant from UCF. It will be her first HC job.
You also have to wonder if Duquesne will talk to Andy Toole. Fast and cheap hire.
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Originally posted by Scrub View Post
The devil's advocate position is this: in sports, we like to see things decided on the playing field (and on the scoreboard), not on paper. There is no doubt left once the buzzer sounds--the scoreboard says what the scoreboard says. No gray area. The conference tournaments allow us to decide things on the scoreboard, not with greater responsibility given to committees in board rooms with spreadsheets. [shrug]
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The Robert Morris women's team hired an assistant from UCF. It will be her first HC job.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostDuquesne HC Keith Dambrot has announced he will retire after the NCAA Tournament.
Tough gig but an interesting job.
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Andy Toole cleaned house at Robert Morris today - letting go two long-time assistants.
This was their fourth bad year in a row. Firing assistants is usually the last step before getting fired yourself. I'd guess his seat is getting a little warm for the first time.
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Duquesne HC Keith Dambrot has announced he will retire after the NCAA Tournament.
Tough gig but an interesting job.
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Originally posted by Chuck Norris View Post
Pitt may have wound up as one of the first four out but I can’t get on board with the idea they were snubbed. Halfway through the season they weren’t even in the conversation. Then they got hot and had the massive game at Wake Forest that they no showed. They had a chance to somewhat make up for that at Clemson and fell short. They were out of the conversation again. They rallied again but the hole was too big. They had to, at least, beat UNC and they didn’t.
If they declined the NIT out of some sort of anger of being left out of the dance that makes me look at the situation differently. That’s weak. Go compete and get better. You made the dance once after several years as a doormat. You don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt that the big boys get.
On the tournament discussion... The biggest controllable is to simply win your games. Had they not lost twice to Syracuse they would have had 2 additional wins and finished above UVA in the ACC standings. Had they added a win against Clemson, there was zero chance they would have been left out. It takes time for teams to gel. Losing to Missouri and subsequently starting 1-5 in the ACC did not help their cause, but you can't ignore going 12-3 the rest of the way in conference either. I do think however, that UVA being in the field when Pitt had beaten them head to head, was higher in the NET, had more road wins, and more Quad 1 wins, is quite comical.
People seem to talk about the non-conference SOS. But TCU's was worse than Pitt's, along with other metrics too.
And to be clear, I'm not pounding the table for Pitt. But if you're metric of choice is non-conference SOS, you can easily disprove that based on other at-large/bubble selections. Pitt could have won 3 more games and they could've been in the field. They also could have not let RJ Davis score 21 2nd half points on Friday night and finished the game against UNC. That would've given them a chance to cut down the nets in DC on Saturday and been done with it.
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Originally posted by Scrub View Post
The devil's advocate position is this: in sports, we like to see things decided on the playing field (and on the scoreboard), not on paper. There is no doubt left once the buzzer sounds--the scoreboard says what the scoreboard says. No gray area. The conference tournaments allow us to decide things on the scoreboard, not with greater responsibility given to committees in board rooms with spreadsheets. [shrug]
I would imagine most know my opinion on the power of the "Committee in board rooms with spread sheets" to reach whatever selection/seeding decision they want. These people need LESS authority rather than more. Doing away with the automatic bid for Conference Tourney Champs will give them a bit more authority to engineer the selection/seeding they want.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
I'd agree there are different perspectives between a P5 school and a Robert Morris type in electing or declining an invitation to the NIT.
For Pitt, there is no doubt some spite involved in not playing in the NIT. But (que my yearly saying) when one season ends another begins. The faster you can get in to building the next team the better. It's not a matter of 'if' you lose players to the Portal now. It's just how many are you going to lose. Coaches also clearly know the dead weight on their rosters and they want to get those players out the door as soon as possible.
What's funny is the Yinzer radio this morning spent about 98% of its devoted hoops talk on Pitt's snub and about 2% on Duquesne making the field.
College basketball still has a 'committee' involved, and, well, we know what can happen.
If they declined the NIT out of some sort of anger of being left out of the dance that makes me look at the situation differently. That’s weak. Go compete and get better. You made the dance once after several years as a doormat. You don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt that the big boys get.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Changing directions here, I'm just not a huge fan of the automatic bid. I get it's great drama, etc. It just burns me to see a team that gets hot for a week make the tournament and a team that played well for 4 months get sent home. That's just a general opinion (not geared toward Pitt or Duquesne).
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
That's a shame because a) I'm not sold that Pitt was deserving, and b) Duquesne getting in is so much of a better story. Multiple upsets in the conference tournament. First time since 1977. Dambrot's dad played at Duquesne in the 50s. Jackasses.
Madden's show should be much different today. He'll bash and make fun of Pitt for an hour, but he should spend a lot of time on Duquesne (his alma mater).
Changing directions here, I'm just not a huge fan of the automatic bid. I get it's great drama, etc. It just burns me to see a team that gets hot for a week make the tournament and a team that played well for 4 months get sent home. That's just a general opinion (not geared toward Pitt or Duquesne).
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
I'd agree there are different perspectives between a P5 school and a Robert Morris type in electing or declining an invitation to the NIT.
For Pitt, there is no doubt some spite involved in not playing in the NIT. But (que my yearly saying) when one season ends another begins. The faster you can get in to building the next team the better. It's not a matter of 'if' you lose players to the Portal now. It's just how many are you going to lose. Coaches also clearly know the dead weight on their rosters and they want to get those players out the door as soon as possible.
What's funny is the Yinzer radio this morning spent about 98% of its devoted hoops talk on Pitt's snub and about 2% on Duquesne making the field.
College basketball still has a 'committee' involved, and, well, we know what can happen.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
It depends. When I was working at Robert Morris they had some decent justification. Foremost its the only way to keep playing competitive basketball, so its great to extend the season before guys start thinking transfer. Secondly, its more competitive basketball for a young and developing team. Third, its more opportunity for a coach or a school to improve their standing. See: Robert Morris vs. Kentucky in the NIT in 2013.
There is absolutely no financial incentive. For the NCAA tournament, all team expenses are paid for by the NCAA. For the others, each game is hosted by one of the two teams and they bear the cost. NCAA money is divided by "shares" that flow through the conferences. Each conference gets a share for each team that makes the tournament then those shares are amplified the further their team(s) make it in the tournament. Then the conferences divide up the money amongst their member schools. The system is built to reward the major conferences that can get multiple teams in the tournament, especially multiple teams past the second round.
For Pitt, there is no doubt some spite involved in not playing in the NIT. But (que my yearly saying) when one season ends another begins. The faster you can get in to building the next team the better. It's not a matter of 'if' you lose players to the Portal now. It's just how many are you going to lose. Coaches also clearly know the dead weight on their rosters and they want to get those players out the door as soon as possible.
What's funny is the Yinzer radio this morning spent about 98% of its devoted hoops talk on Pitt's snub and about 2% on Duquesne making the field.
College basketball still has a 'committee' involved, and, well, we know what can happen.
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Originally posted by Chuck Norris View Post
Any tournament that isn’t THE tournament is a waste of time in this world of college basketball.
There is absolutely no financial incentive. For the NCAA tournament, all team expenses are paid for by the NCAA. For the others, each game is hosted by one of the two teams and they bear the cost. NCAA money is divided by "shares" that flow through the conferences. Each conference gets a share for each team that makes the tournament then those shares are amplified the further their team(s) make it in the tournament. Then the conferences divide up the money amongst their member schools. The system is built to reward the major conferences that can get multiple teams in the tournament, especially multiple teams past the second round.
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