Atlantic Region

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Atlantic Region

OUCH moment:

Division 1 UMES (University of Maryland Eastern Shore) lost to its D3 neighbor, Salisbury University, in a men's basketball game. The campuses are separated by about 10 miles.



UMES is 'D1' in name only and would be dumpster fire most years in the CIAA, MEC or PSAC ... but still. Not a good look.

[Golden89]

Re: Atlantic Region

Updated

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d2/d2sida

West Texas A&M (4-1) has played five games already! They played three games in California on November 2, 3, and 4. Teams can start that early now?

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Atlantic Region

West Texas A&M (4-1) has played five games already! They played three games in California on November 2, 3, and 4. Teams can start that early now?

If you go (get invited) to those big kickoff tournaments ... yes.

They are dangerous. Just ask IUP last year and Fairmont this year (0-4 combined). You aren't playing chumps at those things.

[boatcapt]

Re: Atlantic Region

If you go (get invited) to those big kickoff tournaments ... yes.

They are dangerous. Just ask IUP last year and Fairmont this year (0-4 combined). You aren't playing chumps at those things.

Hehehehe...But they had/will have strong SOS's as a result and will certainly get increased consideration for hosting regionals, right!!??

[Chuck Norris]

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Hehehehe...But they had/will have strong SOS's as a result and will certainly get increased consideration for hosting regionals, right!!??

If you win enough of your of remaining games to be at or near the top of the region record wise, absolutely. But I think you know that. You just REALLY like to argue.

[boatcapt]

Re: Atlantic Region

If you win enough of your of remaining games to be at or near the top of the region record wise, absolutely. But I think you know that. You just REALLY like to argue.

Playing strong teams to open the season is all well and good, provided you win. You don't win, and you have additional losses you wouldn't have had. Let's look at the last couple of years since people are saying that the NCAA has been trying to "educate" WLU on the virtue of SOS. Let's assume WLU played similarly "strong" opponents to start the season and finished the same 1-1.

2018 - WLU's record goes 25-4 vice Virginia States 24-4. Would the boost in SOS have been enough to overcome the extra in region loss to the point were they would have jumped Va State? Debatable.

2017 - WLU would have finished 27-4 vs host Fairmont at 29-2. Would that extra strength been enough to jump Fairmont? Clearly NO. Buuuutttt...a legit case can be made that the 4th loss would have caused them to fall from #3 seed to #6 behind 3 loss IUP and 3 loss Kutztown.

2016 - The "new" WLU with the enhanced SOS finishes the season 26-4. Is that "extra" strength enough for them to vault 3 loss WJU? Pretty clearly no. Buuuuttttt again...A 4 loss WLU team now falls into a debate with a 4 loss Fairmont team that finished seeded behind WLU at #3.

So really the only year you can say with A possible degree of certainty that the boost in SOS might have been enough to overcome the additional loss and resulted in a regional host nod would have been last year. In fact in 2017 and 2016 the extra loss would have had a VERY real chance of resulting in a LOWER seeding.

There is one thing you CAN glean from the seeding over the last three years. In 2016 and 2017 the seeding was based on the # of losses a team had...from top to bottom, teams with fewer losses were seeded ahead of teams with more losses. In 2018 the only team not seeded based on their # of losses was WLU. Over the last three years, except for WLU last year, the NCAA has been remarkably consistent in what they have been trying to teach the rest of SR1...losses have consequences.

[PSAC76]

Re: Atlantic Region

A good loss is better than a bad win in the committee's eyes; look at the boxes. You obviously can't lose all of them. But playing cupcakes doesn't help you host the region, unless you have 3-5 more wins than everyone, and it doesn't help prepare you for post-season. All it does is allow you to brag that your program has more wins than others.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Playing strong teams to open the season is all well and good, provided you win. You don't win, and you have additional losses you wouldn't have had. Let's look at the last couple of years since people are saying that the NCAA has been trying to educate WLU on the virtue of SOS. Let's assume WLU played similarly "strong" opponents to start the season and finished the same 1-1.

2018 - WLU's record goes 25-4 vice Virginia States 24-4. Would the boost in SOS have been enough to overcome the extra in region loss to the point were they would have jumped Va State? Debatable.

2017 - WLU would have finished 27-4 vs host Fairmont at 29-2. Would that extra strength been enough to jump Fairmont? Clearly NO. Buuuutttt...a legit case can be made that the 4th loss would have caused them to fall from #3 seed to #6 behind 3 loss IUP and 3 loss Kutztown.

2016 - The "new" WLU with the enhanced SOS finishes the season 26-4. Is that "extra" strength enough for them to vault 3 loss WJU? Pretty clearly no. Buuuuttttt again...A 4 loss WLU team now falls into a debate with a 4 loss Fairmont team that finished seeded behind WLU at #3.

So really the only year you can say with A possible degree of certainty that the boost in SOS might have been enough to overcome the additional loss and resulted in a regional host nod would have been last year. In fact in 2017 and 2016 the extra loss would have had a VERY real chance of resulting in a LOWER seeding.

Last year you only had 3 losses heading in to selection day, correct? VSU had 4 losses heading in to selection day but still got the No. 1 seed based on having a much higher SOS than WL.

[boatcapt]

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Last year you only had 3 losses heading in to selection day, correct? VSU had 4 losses heading in to selection day but still got the No. 1 seed based on having a much higher SOS than WL.

See my edits to the post you replied to. The NCAA in SR1 has been remarkably consistent in their seeding over the last three years...Teams with fewer losses are seeded higher than those with more losses. The only exception was WLU last year. Yes, the NCAA has been trying to teach SR1...Maybe some don't want to hear what they are teaching.

[Chuck Norris]

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Playing strong teams to open the season is all well and good, provided you win. You don't win, and you have additional losses you wouldn't have had. Let's look at the last couple of years since people are saying that the NCAA has been trying to "educate" WLU on the virtue of SOS. Let's assume WLU played similarly "strong" opponents to start the season and finished the same 1-1.

2018 - WLU's record goes 25-4 vice Virginia States 24-4. Would the boost in SOS have been enough to overcome the extra in region loss to the point were they would have jumped Va State? Debatable.

2017 - WLU would have finished 27-4 vs host Fairmont at 29-2. Would that extra strength been enough to jump Fairmont? Clearly NO. Buuuutttt...a legit case can be made that the 4th loss would have caused them to fall from #3 seed to #6 behind 3 loss IUP and 3 loss Kutztown.

2016 - The "new" WLU with the enhanced SOS finishes the season 26-4. Is that "extra" strength enough for them to vault 3 loss WJU? Pretty clearly no. Buuuuttttt again...A 4 loss WLU team now falls into a debate with a 4 loss Fairmont team that finished seeded behind WLU at #3.

So really the only year you can say with A possible degree of certainty that the boost in SOS might have been enough to overcome the additional loss and resulted in a regional host nod would have been last year. In fact in 2017 and 2016 the extra loss would have had a VERY real chance of resulting in a LOWER seeding.

There is one thing you CAN glean from the seeding over the last three years. In 2016 and 2017 the seeding was based on the # of losses a team had...from top to bottom, teams with fewer losses were seeded ahead of teams with more losses. In 2018 the only team not seeded based on their # of losses was WLU. Over the last three years, except for WLU last year, the NCAA has been remarkably consistent in what they have been trying to teach the rest of SR1...losses have consequences.

[boatcapt]

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Aren't we all talking hypotheticals? The only evidence you have that the NCAA has been trying to teach WLU that they need to schedule tougher is last year...I have proposed that scheduling harder games and having early losses would have a negative impact as shown by how the NCAA seeded SR1 based on losses in 16, 17 and for every team that was not WLU in 2018. Absent the ability to actually review the committee members score sheets, both are hypothetical arguments.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Probably part of the contract.

FWIW, RMU is playing DIII Mt Aloysius this week.

Trib gave their record-breaking game last night a headline. Of course, failed to mention they were playing a D3 intramural team.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Riddle me this:

Ohio Valley, 3-23 a year ago, just hammered West Virgina Wesleyan tonight.

The same WVW which beat Kutztown (who beat WL) and West Chester last weekend.

Appears to be quite the turnaround for O.V.

[IUPalum]

Re: Atlantic Region

Riddle me this:

Ohio Valley, 3-23 a year ago, just hammered West Virgina Wesleyan tonight.

The same WVW which beat Kutztown (who beat WL) and West Chester last weekend.

Appears to be quite the turnaround for O.V.

Going to be a circus this year! Fun fun fun

[boatcapt]

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Riddle me this:

Ohio Valley, 3-23 a year ago, just hammered West Virgina Wesleyan tonight.

The same WVW which beat Kutztown (who beat WL) and West Chester last weekend.

Appears to be quite the turnaround for O.V.

It's WVW. While they got off to a great start, I would anticipate that they will revert to form over the long run. Maybe they are a bit better than we thought...If I had to guess, I'd put them just short of 500. I'd be inclined to say the same about OVU but I don't know a lot about them. But 3-0 and 2-1 starts for these programs is great!