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Re: OT: Title IX and Men's Sports
Originally posted by IUPNation View PostIt did at IUP.
We had Men's wrestling and soccer at IUP back in my day.
They were Title IX victims.
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Re: OT: Title IX and Men's Sports
Originally posted by IUPNation View PostIt did at IUP.
We had Men's wrestling and soccer at IUP back in my day.
They were Title IX victims.
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Re: OT: Title IX and Men's Sports
Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostThe university used Title IX compliance as its rationale for cutting wrestling and soccer. Title IX didn't force them to cut sports. That's just how IUP decided to frame their compliance. They could have very easily just found the money.
Let's say my monthly income is $100. My Housing is $50 and food bill is $25 and utilities are $25. If the government mandated that all housing must be $75 (for whatever imaginary reason), I am suddenly -$25 per month. Now, I can get a second job (just finding the money) but I might also might be working 80 hours as it is and I have no time for a job. Instead, I don't eat. The fact that I must now starve or get a second job is a direct cause of the government mandate, just as trying to find other sources to fund programs or CUTTING programs is a direct result of Title IX implementation.
If it's not implemented, things go on as usual.
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Re: OT: Title IX and Men's Sports
Originally posted by Brandon View PostI don't agree with this perspective at all. It's too easy to say "just find the money." If Title IX did not exist, they probably would not have made changes, so I don't believe their affect can be so easily dismissed.
Let's say my monthly income is $100. My Housing is $50 and food bill is $25 and utilities are $25. If the government mandated that all housing must be $75 (for whatever imaginary reason), I am suddenly -$25 per month. Now, I can get a second job (just finding the money) but I might also might be working 80 hours as it is and I have no time for a job. Instead, I don't eat. The fact that I must now starve or get a second job is a direct cause of the government mandate, just as trying to find other sources to fund programs or CUTTING programs is a direct result of Title IX implementation.
If it's not implemented, things go on as usual.
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Re: OT: Title IX and Men's Sports
Originally posted by Brandon View PostI don't agree with this perspective at all. It's too easy to say "just find the money." If Title IX did not exist, they probably would not have made changes, so I don't believe their affect can be so easily dismissed.
Let's say my monthly income is $100. My Housing is $50 and food bill is $25 and utilities are $25. If the government mandated that all housing must be $75 (for whatever imaginary reason), I am suddenly -$25 per month. Now, I can get a second job (just finding the money) but I might also might be working 80 hours as it is and I have no time for a job. Instead, I don't eat. The fact that I must now starve or get a second job is a direct cause of the government mandate, just as trying to find other sources to fund programs or CUTTING programs is a direct result of Title IX implementation.
If it's not implemented, things go on as usual.
On the other hand, I understand the burden of men's sports (particularly football) is a lot heavier than women's sports. I'd even say that having football is detrimental to Title IX compliance. Having the big three of football, men's hockey, and men's lacrosse is very difficult to do at any level. There are women's equivalents of the latter two but the formula is difficult to master when you've got a sport with 80-90 roster spots. There has to be some sort of consideration for football since there isn't a female equivalent.
Specific to IUP, they didn't have to cut wrestling and men's soccer. They chose to cut them. They could have also added more women's opportunities to stay in compliance. My point was that a school won't cut a well-funded program. They'll pick the poorly performing or poorly funded program.Last edited by Fightingscot82; 01-17-2018, 02:55 PM.
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Re: OT: Title IX and Men's Sports
Did we not just go around this a few weeks ago, that IUP was acting upon a philosophy of guiding resources toward its major, revenue-producing sports, even at the expense of the other, less-popular programs?
Now, the landscape and reasoning might have been different at the point in time that wrestling, soccer and tennis were sliced there. But if IUP was to drop a sport today, I think they'd have a hard time attributing it to Title IX.
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Re: OT: Title IX and Men's Sports
Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostI get what you're saying and agree. I support both sides of the argument. There absolutely was a need for equality in college athletics. If you read some of the stories of what women's basketball teams had versus men's its despicable. I have two daughters and would expect them to get fair treatment from any school team they're playing on. Women are also 55-60% of college students. So they have a serious argument that they deserve their fair share of opportunity but no less than equal opportunity.
On the other hand, I understand the burden of men's sports (particularly football) is a lot heavier than women's sports. I'd even say that having football is detrimental to Title IX compliance. Having the big three of football, men's hockey, and men's lacrosse is very difficult to do at any level. There are women's equivalents of the latter two but the formula is difficult to master when you've got a sport with 80-90 roster spots. There has to be some sort of consideration for football since there isn't a female equivalent.
Specific to IUP, they didn't have to cut wrestling and men's soccer. They chose to cut them. They could have also added more women's opportunities to stay in compliance. My point was that a school won't cut a well-funded program. They'll pick the poorly performing or poorly funded program.
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Re: OT: Title IX and Men's Sports
Gannon is adding women's wrestling as a varsity sport.
http://triblive.com/sports/college/d...stling-program
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Re: OT: Title IX and Men's Sports
Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostClarion pulled a thrilling upset over No. 21 Rider last night in wrestling. The Golden Eagles also defeated Pitt earlier this season.
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