July 1 - Moving Day 2024

[laker]

Longshot would be putting it mildly... That athletic program has been struggling for what seems like an eternity, yet they're still insisting on staying D1 instead of dropping to D2. Make it make sense for me...

It makes no sense, but I could go on and on about that. Remember a few years ago when they only had about 85 freshmen coming in? And when they dropped baseball and the whole press conference was a disaster? Yes, they would be better off in D2 but they won't face reality.

[crixus]

It makes no sense, but I could go on and on about that. Remember a few years ago when they only had about 85 freshmen coming in? And when they dropped baseball and the whole press conference was a disaster? Yes, they would be better off in D2 but they won't face reality.

I think the old saying applies here...too big for their britches.

[Bballfan]

Probably better off being NAIA. But there are a lot of schools that have no business being D2. A lot more D1s should be D2 than D2 becoming D1, but there is probably have a dozen Dr's that should move up.

[Tech Boys]

Just came across this CIAA board meeting recap from December.

The suspension of Saint Augustine's membership has been upgraded from the 2024-25 academic year to indefinite.

CIAA 2024 FALL BOARD MEETING RECAP

[chapmaja]

If I am the MAC, I say go find your own conference. If they don't want to be a part of football, why let them in.

Knowing what I know of the MAC, I'm actually shocked this hasn't happened yet. During the discussions regarding schools dropping sports over the last few years, one of the things that came out was that full membership in the MAC requires a school to offer football and mens and womens basketball. To me NIU leaving with their football program means they are forfeiting memberhsip in the conference. What I think you might see them do is bolt (or be kicked out of) the MAC and end up with their other sports in the MVC. Since the MVC doesn't actually offer football (the MVFC is a distinct entity) this move would make sense. From a revenue perspective, it would also make sense, as the MVC and the MAC are nearly equal as basketball conferences, with neither one having much success over the past 6 years, thus the NCAA Tourney shares are about equal. The football program being in the MVC is similar to, if not more than they would get from the MAC's media rights deal.

[Bballfan]

Yea they are done from the MAC. And to be a full member you should have to participate in the revenue sports. That's why I don't get why the ACC let's Notre Dame get away with what they do. Notre Dame is going to bag $20+ million all to their self in the CFP money this year. Why the ACC (and the CFP) let's them do that is beyond me. Should kick them out of the ACC or at least demand a partial share of CFP money since they play 5 of their schools a year.

[chapmaja]

Yea they are done from the MAC. And to be a full member you should have to participate in the revenue sports. That's why I don't get why the ACC let's Notre Dame get away with what they do. Notre Dame is going to bag $20+ million all to their self in the CFP money this year. Why the ACC (and the CFP) let's them do that is beyond me. Should kick them out of the ACC or at least demand a partial share of CFP money since they play 5 of their schools a year.

I can tell you why the ACC does this with Notre Dame. They make more money have ND in for all the other sports than if they didn't have them. Like it or not ND is a national brand and it brings in revenue to the conference outside of what is coming from the rest of the schools. Also, we don't know what the fees ND has to pay each year to the ACC are for their membership. It is very possible they have a more substantial membership fee than the other ACC schools because they don't participate in football within the ACC. One thing many people fail to realize is the funding of college athletics is nowhere near a simple as the school gets X revenue and the conference gets Y revenue. Using ND as an example, they have expenses of 64 million dollars which are listed as not allocated. These are expenses which are not allocated to a team, game day expenses, or salaries to coaches. Since they are not allocated, we don't know how much of it is payable to the ACC as a memebership fee. As a comparison, Florida State has not allocated expenses of 39 million. How much of the difference in those expenses is what ND pays to the ACC (if any), to be a non-football member of the ACC?

[chapmaja]

Yea they are done from the MAC. And to be a full member you should have to participate in the revenue sports. That's why I don't get why the ACC let's Notre Dame get away with what they do. Notre Dame is going to bag $20+ million all to their self in the CFP money this year. Why the ACC (and the CFP) let's them do that is beyond me. Should kick them out of the ACC or at least demand a partial share of CFP money since they play 5 of their schools a year.

I actually did find a copy of the ACC Constitution online. There is an entire section on the Notre Dame Membership in the ACC. I did not find anything about a membership fee each member institution has to pay, however there is a clause that covers media rights and the payments to the schools from those media rights. The following is from the 2021-2022 ACC Constitution and relates to media rights payments to ND.

"The University of Notre Dame shall not participate in any allocation or distribution of Conference revenues attributable to football media or broadcast rights. For purposes of this provision, eighty percent (80%) of total media and broadcast right revenues of the Conference in any particular fiscal year, after determination of amounts reserved or used for Conference office expenses, shall be deemed to be attributable to football, and the remaining twenty percent (20%) of such revenues shall be deemed to be attributable to other sports."

[Tech Boys]

We have two weeks until the application deadline. Is there going to be any last minute surprises or just Ferrum College and Middle Georgia State.

[Finchwidget]

We have two weeks until the application deadline. Is there going to be any last minute surprises or just Ferrum College and Middle Georgia State.

I'm more wondering about whether there's gonna be any realignment from existing D2 schools. Last year we had 4 D2 schools switching conferences (Lincoln, UAFS, Shorter, Trevecca Nazarene). The year before I believe it was 3. We're about halfway through the season now, and I don't think there's any announced moves coming from within the present D2 ranks, just reclassifications in or out of the division. I figured there'd be at least one announcement by now.

[Tech Boys]

AQ coming to football and with that is a bracket expansion to 32 teams. There's already a thread for this.

Also, Women's Wrestling is coming to the NCAA. As nice as it would be to have our own championship, the NCAA is going to protect D1 first. D3 has 56 teams and because of being non-scholarship they will likely be granted their own championship soon. D2 has 34 teams and needs just 1 more to meet the requirement for a divisional championship but because D1 has only 4 teams we will be stuck with them in the National Collegiate Division for a while.

[Finchwidget]

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/articl...medium=twitter

Sonoma State is eliminating all athletic programs starting next season. They currently compete in the CCAA.

[sportsvine]

I remember when I was a kid back in the late 80s/early 90s, Chadron State would play National University in basketball. They were out of Rapid City, SD. They weren't good, Chadron would beat them by at least 30 points. I wondered whatever happened to that university. So I looked it up, and apparently, they still exist, but are called National American University, and there are locations in several states, mostly in the midwest. I don't think they have athletics anymore. I wonder when they gave up their athletic programs. I am guessing they were NAIA.

https://www.national.edu/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...can_University

There is also National University, out of San Diego, CA. Reading the Wiki, I think this is wholly separate from National American University.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ty_(California)

[crixus]

sportsvine National American University est. in 1941 as National School of Business in Rapid City, SD has never been called National University. Here's their historical timeline (click link and see right side of page). https://www.national.edu/mission-pur...ision-history/

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But you did get this part right, National University in San Diego (where I live) is a seperate school.

[Bballfan]

Research paper by the Fed of Philadelphia. A lot to digest. Bottom line. It is predicted up to 80 colleges will be facing closure within the next 5 years. That is a lot, to say the least, but there have been 73 already closed, merged, etc. since March of 2020. So seems pretty realistic.

Predicting College Closures and Financial Distress