IUP Football 2021

[IUP CRIMSON HAWKS]

IUP program cuts and changes: https://www.iup.edu/news-events/acad...ture/programs/

Thanks for posting that. Have to say that I have never even heard of a lot of them but I guess I have not been a student there for nearly 20 years now.

Okay, I guess my next question is what does the term "Moratorium" that they bandy about mean?

[Fightingscot82]

IUP program cuts and changes: https://www.iup.edu/news-events/acad...ture/programs/

[Fightingscot82]

That's a crock of ****! Population decline my ass!!!

You can zoom into PA.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/u-s...nty-2010-2018/

[iupgroundhog]

Temple is no different than Oakland (Pittsburgh). .

In terms of crime that is not true. Temple is located in one of the most crime-ridden neighborhoods of Philadelphia. I would be surprised if there are any neighborhoods in Pittsburgh as bad as North Philly when it comes to crime. Nothing to brag about. Just sayin'.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Temple is just not kids from the city. You are also assuming every street in Philadelphia is crime ridden which is a myth too.

Plenty of kids from the suburbs go to Temple. A lot of them live on the streets by the campus.

Maybe yinzers live in constant fear...

Temple is no different than Oakland (Pittsburgh). You have Pitt and Carnegie Mellon right beside each other. A couple miles over is Duquesne.

By and large, however, I don't think IUP is competing much with those schools (certainly not Carnegie Mellon). Of the 'state schools' IUP competes with for students, ... IUP is the one constantly getting bad press in Western PA. But, hey, if you have three stabbings, two shootings and a murder prior to Halloween ... you deserve some bad press.

Is it a major factor in IUP hitting the ice berg? Probably not. It's probably just one on a long list. But, every body counts at this point.

I will always believe if they can get a kid here, they should land him/her. The campus and town sells itself (compared to the immediate competition). I'd really put an emphasis on that 'first impression' tour of campus. You need sales people (of sorts) in many ways. People need to feel wanted here. Red carpet. The days of Johnny Frat having a part-time job leading tours around campus need to end. Let the campus sell the kids. Let the trained recruiters sell Mom and Dad.

A lot of us have been to many of the campuses we compete with for students. Que the bias but IUP should clobber them in what they have to sell. It's not even close in many comparisons.

We're losing kids to the PSU and Pitt bum-duck campuses. Has anybody every been to Penn State-Altoona or Pitt-Greensburg? Goodness. Close the freaking deal. I know they get that slightly fancier diploma ... but they also have go to 13th grade in the far corner of Greensburg.

You need, to an extent, the same tenacity recruiting 'students' today as when you recruit 'student-athletes'.

[iupgroundhog]

Depends where the students come from. Temple is by far Philly students where there's no significant difference in crime rate, in fact IUP competes for students with Temple. now if the students come from the Northern and Eastern Suburbs of the Burgh, or the small towns in western and central PA, it sure does matter.

I don't feel like looking up the numbers now but many years ago Temple stopped giving preference to Philly city students. It was a big positive for the school's image but a lot of city leaders felt they were selling out the city. I believe it's actually in the original school charter that it serves students from within Philadelphia. They decided to abandon that. But still a high % are from Philly.

[IUPNation]

That's a crock of ****! Population decline my ass!!!

Only one county in Western PA has a population increase and that Butler County. Centre County is another growing island. The only growing counties are in Southeastern and South Central PA.

[IUPNation]

Depends where the students come from. Temple is by far Philly students where there's no significant difference in crime rate, in fact IUP competes for students with Temple. now if the students come from the Northern and Eastern Suburbs of the Burgh, or the small towns in western and central PA, it sure does matter.

Temple is just not kids from the city. You are also assuming every street in Philadelphia is crime ridden which is a myth too.

Plenty of kids from the suburbs go to Temple. A lot of them live on the streets by the campus.

Maybe yinzers live in constant fear...

[IUPalum]

Actually, the data doesn't support this. Enrollment is down overwhelmingly due to population decline. Far, far fewer high school students and fewer prospective adult students. Now that the economy seems to be picking up I bet grad enrollment dips too.

Trade schools are good options but their enrollment is down too. Any increase they have over the next few years would probably be the result of less job opportunities for high school grads (service & retail) or due to better career counseling in high schools. I'll bet on the former.

That's a crock of ****! Population decline my ass!!!

[IUP CRIMSON HAWKS]

Of course it's not all on him but the factual part is he has 5k less now then when he began. That's a massive reduction.

There was a IUP write up in this evening's local edition. What did it say----IUP lost 9% of it's enrollment (from around 15,000 I presume) on Atwater's watch and then another 20% of it on Driscoll's continuing tenure.

[ironmaniup]

Depends where the students come from. Temple is by far Philly students where there's no significant difference in crime rate, in fact IUP competes for students with Temple. now if the students come from the Northern and Eastern Suburbs of the Burgh, or the small towns in western and central PA, it sure does matter.

[IUPNation]

The Driz is getting hammered but that will pass (if he survives). It needs blown up. IUP needs to hit the reset button. It needs to become more attractive to today's students.

For decades they could just sit back and get monster-sized freshmen classes year after year. Obviously, that's not the case today.

From the surface, it sure seems IUP failed to adapt to the times. They got lazy in recruitment. They have tons of majors nobody wants anymore.

Not sure how any President survives losing 5,000 students during his (relatively) short tenure. That's a mind-boggling number. Many factors, sure, ... but, end of the day, he's 5k less than when he started. Any bean counter can tell you that's a whole lot of coin.

IUP's reputation in Western PA is also at perhaps an all-time low right now. Are people (parents) questioning if it's safe here? Yes. Slippery Rock has become more modern. It also isn't on the news for violent crimes every 12-14 days.

[Fightingscot82]

WHOA!!! IUP's attendance has been dropping for over a decade. You can't blame it all on Driscoll. Also, enrollment at all schools is down. The trend is starting to switch to trade schools because they are far cheaper and far more jobs available currently!

Actually, the data doesn't support this. Enrollment is down overwhelmingly due to population decline. Far, far fewer high school students and fewer prospective adult students. Now that the economy seems to be picking up I bet grad enrollment dips too.

Trade schools are good options but their enrollment is down too. Any increase they have over the next few years would probably be the result of less job opportunities for high school grads (service & retail) or due to better career counseling in high schools. I'll bet on the former.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

WHOA!!! IUP's attendance has been dropping for over a decade. You can't blame it all on Driscoll. Also, enrollment at all schools is down. The trend is starting to switch to trade schools because they are far cheaper and far more jobs available currently!

Of course it's not all on him but the factual part is he has 5k less now then when he began. That's a massive reduction.

[IUPalum]

The Driz is getting hammered but that will pass (if he survives). It needs blown up. IUP needs to hit the reset button. It needs to become more attractive to today's students.

For decades they could just sit back and get monster-sized freshmen classes year after year. Obviously, that's not the case today.

From the surface, it sure seems IUP failed to adapt to the times. They got lazy in recruitment. They have tons of majors nobody wants anymore.

Not sure how any President survives losing 5,000 students during his (relatively) short tenure. That's a mind-boggling number. Many factors, sure, ... but, end of the day, he's 5k less than when he started. Any bean counter can tell you that's a whole lot of coin.

IUP's reputation in Western PA is also at perhaps an all-time low right now. Are people (parents) questioning if it's safe here? Yes. Slippery Rock has become more modern. It also isn't on the news for violent crimes every 12-14 days.

WHOA!!! IUP's attendance has been dropping for over a decade. You can't blame it all on Driscoll. Also, enrollment at all schools is down. The trend is starting to switch to trade schools because they are far cheaper and far more jobs available currently!