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Last edited by complaint_hopeful; 02-15-2021, 02:29 PM.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
It's not like having several factories that serve the same market. There you can lop off excess capacity to fix the problem, except for some transportation considerations. Each school has it's own market, albeit overlapping to some extent. It has been shown how much it will cost to close schools, also.
Ultimately, the market will dictate the future of these schools. If after the first round of changes are made schools continue to lose enrollment or stay insolvent, further changes will be required. If that happens (and few people think it won't) schools may close or be repurposed. The slow demise of the schools will enable the constituent groups of the schools and the local area and local economy to absorb the loss in a less painful way. That's what I see on a macro level.
The pandemic has shown that basically any school can be an online school. But, not everyone can do it well.
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It looks like other states have schools merging or talking or merging:
University Merger Talks On The Rise (forbes.com)
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Seems that there are three "types" of 4 year colleges in PA. 1. Schools with a big name (Penn State, Pitt and I guess Temple). These schools use that name to charge higher tuition and are able to bring in a very large number of students. 2. Privates that "sell" their academic superiority/exclusivity. They bring in students looking for higher academics and/or the snob appeal of an "exclusive" college. 3. Schools that compete by being the lowest priced and least exclusive in town. They are like a volume car dealer, you get the best price but none of the frills (big name, academic reputation, snob appeal). Id put the PASSHE in the last category. Problem is that not as many people are buying cars anymore. Also the dealership seems to have forgotten its business model and are trying to compete with the 1's and 2's.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View PostSeems that there are three "types" of 4 year colleges in PA. 1. Schools with a big name (Penn State, Pitt and I guess Temple). These schools use that name to charge higher tuition and are able to bring in a very large number of students. 2. Privates that "sell" their academic superiority/exclusivity. They bring in students looking for higher academics and/or the snob appeal of an "exclusive" college. 3. Schools that compete by being the lowest priced and least exclusive in town. They are like a volume car dealer, you get the best price but none of the frills (big name, academic reputation, snob appeal). Id put the PASSHE in the last category. Problem is that not as many people are buying cars anymore. Also the dealership seems to have forgotten its business model and are trying to compete with the 1's and 2's.
Layer on top of that competition from the SNHU's of the world that can provide online classes anywhere...and you have a hyper competitive market.
So what do you do? Do you work on trying to get your quality/brand image better? Do you work on cutting costs more? It's really probably the toughest market spot to be in.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View PostSeems that there are three "types" of 4 year colleges in PA. 1. Schools with a big name (Penn State, Pitt and I guess Temple). These schools use that name to charge higher tuition and are able to bring in a very large number of students. 2. Privates that "sell" their academic superiority/exclusivity. They bring in students looking for higher academics and/or the snob appeal of an "exclusive" college. 3. Schools that compete by being the lowest priced and least exclusive in town. They are like a volume car dealer, you get the best price but none of the frills (big name, academic reputation, snob appeal). Id put the PASSHE in the last category. Problem is that not as many people are buying cars anymore. Also the dealership seems to have forgotten its business model and are trying to compete with the 1's and 2's.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
That really is excellent. But how are you going to justify keeping that $60 million at the Bloomsburg campus?
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
That really is excellent. But how are you going to justify keeping that $60 million at the Bloomsburg campus?
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
A good reason to fight against the merger plan. If a university can keep it's name and athletic programs, they should be able to keep the money they raised.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
Yep. And the decreased state funding made the PASSHE price creep higher and higher to the point that students looking to go there deem it a better value to just pay a little more to go to one of the other schools.
Layer on top of that competition from the SNHU's of the world that can provide online classes anywhere...and you have a hyper competitive market.
So what do you do? Do you work on trying to get your quality/brand image better? Do you work on cutting costs more? It's really probably the toughest market spot to be in.
PASSHE is in a tough place...They can't really compete with the name universities and can't really compete on a precieved quality stand point.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
A few months back I looked at the PASSHE approved budgets for the last 10ish years. Only once over the time frame was the budget cut. As I recall the years were evenly divided between the same budget the year before and a budget increase.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
Have the big mahoff's figured this out yet?
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
A few months back I looked at the PASSHE approved budgets for the last 10ish years. Only once over the time frame was the budget cut. As I recall the years were evenly divided between the same budget the year before and a budget increase.
PASSHE is in a tough place...They can't really compete with the name universities and can't really compete on a precieved quality stand point.
The argument for state funding of colleges & tech schools has been lost. Its obvious because you have politicians who repeat the Heritage Center's cliche "why are my tax dollars paying for the education of somebody else's kid?" The answer is pretty simple - you're more likely to earn more over your lifetime with some sort of post-secondary education. Even a college dropout usually earns more than a high school graduate without any sort of training. More income equals more tax revenue. We all win.
There's going to be a major reckoning in a few decades as the population plummets and the tax revenue can't come near to paying for the government infrastructure built up between the 50s and 80s. Not just higher ed but the parks/forest system, state hospitals, state prisons, massive state police force, etc. Plus the full-time state legislature.
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