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  • #61
    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    That's great. There was just no convincing 17 year old me that it was a good idea (I'm a 'challenge the process' person). And that was years before 9-11 and military service meant a probable trip to the desert.
    Understood...A term in the military is not for everyone. But I do get a kick from people that complain about student loan debt while absolutely ignoring a way to make it go largely away! And the military is not the ONLY government student loan forgiveness/payment program. Millitary too..."military?" Join the Peace Corp...They have a student loan repayment program. "Can't" hold off on starting your career? Become a government employee for almost any agency. Almost all have some sort of student loan repayment plan. But we don't seem to have many people that think that way...we want to work were we want to work and for whom we want to work for and have the government pick up our student loan tab!!!

    As for being a "challenge the process" person, yea, me too. My TI convinced me in about 3 seconds that that wasn't going to work for him and more importantly, ME!! As they say now, my TI used it as a "Teachable Moment" for the rest of my Basic Training Flight as I banged out 100 push-ups!!

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    • #62
      Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post

      Not a parent, but I do recall that the things my parents had "already decided" for their children at age 9 didn't go over so well when those children reached age 18. Just sayin' !!
      Pretty much NOTHING a parent says to an 18 year old goes over very well! I remember each of my children looking at me with total distaine and borderline hatred when I told them ANYTHING when they were 18...even if I was telling them that dinner was ready!!!!!!

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      • #63
        Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

        Give a kid a lawnmower and let him cut the grass at the city park for a couple years - just do something to contribute to the community. Rack up those hours and get reduced, or even free tuition.

        If we had something like that, a kid could go to a JUCO to get a trade diploma, work a PT job, and graduate with money in his bank account and a $40k-$50k/yr job easily. It would fix so many issues almost immediately. A lot of kids would take advantage too.
        I'd never knock Juco's and the programs they have, but for a lot of the trades, the clearest path is through an apprenticeship. My brother was a Steamfitter before he passed. He said that all a HS graduate had to do was show-up at the union hall and say you wanted to enter the Steamfitter apprenticeship and you were working the next day. Now granted, it's not easy work particularly the first couple of years, but you were working and making a decent wage (about 50K according to my brother). When you completed the program and became an actual Steamfitter, you'd make well above 100K per year without OT (which my brother said was plentiful).

        I think as a society, we still look down our noses at people who work with their hands for a living...sort of like they are beneath us. I remember a politician recently said that he could teach anyone to be a farmer. All you have to do is put a seed in the ground, cover it with dirt, water it and corn pops up!!! I cringed at how condisending, elitist and stupid a person could be on one sentence. And he wanted to be president!

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        • #64
          Originally posted by WarriorVoice View Post

          I'm all for national service being compulsory for graduation from high school and college. Community service is extremely important in many different ways...Builds character and a sense of ownership.
          Good man.
          I served and with my interactions of among other nations, many countries have 2yr mandatory service. Its a good way for some to learn discipline, to grow up and for others a chance to see what career path is best for them.
          My son served US Secret Service
          My daughter volunteered US Air Force Nurse

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          • #65
            Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

            Give a kid a lawnmower and let him cut the grass at the city park for a couple years - just do something to contribute to the community. Rack up those hours and get reduced, or even free tuition.

            If we had something like that, a kid could go to a JUCO to get a trade diploma, work a PT job, and graduate with money in his bank account and a $40k-$50k/yr job easily. It would fix so many issues almost immediately. A lot of kids would take advantage too.
            Might not be a bad idea except the unions would strike bec students are taking their park lawn mowing jobs. I was suggest maybe a voucher program for seniors to cut their lawns, shovel snow from walks and or small odd jobs

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Sec10-A-14 View Post

              Might not be a bad idea except the unions would strike bec students are taking their park lawn mowing jobs. I was suggest maybe a voucher program for seniors to cut their lawns, shovel snow from walks and or small odd jobs
              I'm also a fan of unions...

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              • #67
                Edinboro announces 100 jobs cut. Mostly housekeeping https://www.goerie.com/news/20200724...-than-100-jobs We don’t yet have a solid number for how many additional staff will lose their jobs. Staff eliminations will involve union positions, as well as managers. We are working with the unions involved through this process,” Burrows said. Edinboro enrollment generally has declined in recent years, and revenues declined with it. The university’s agreement with the union representing faculty, the Association of Pennsylvania State College and University Faculties, requires a one-year notice if faculty jobs may be eliminated. Edinboro University President Guiyou Huang notified the union June 5, Burrows said. ( How nice. sit around with nothing to do and get paid for a yr. Its no wonder pa state education costs so much. And they keep crying for more money. Get rid of the fat )

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Sec10-A-14 View Post
                  Edinboro announces 100 jobs cut. Mostly housekeeping https://www.goerie.com/news/20200724...-than-100-jobs We don’t yet have a solid number for how many additional staff will lose their jobs. Staff eliminations will involve union positions, as well as managers. We are working with the unions involved through this process,” Burrows said. Edinboro enrollment generally has declined in recent years, and revenues declined with it. The university’s agreement with the union representing faculty, the Association of Pennsylvania State College and University Faculties, requires a one-year notice if faculty jobs may be eliminated. Edinboro University President Guiyou Huang notified the union June 5, Burrows said. ( How nice. sit around with nothing to do and get paid for a yr. Its no wonder pa state education costs so much. And they keep crying for more money. Get rid of the fat )
                  Not a really accurate characterization.

                  Edinboro is outsourcing custodial jobs. I've heard rumblings about grounds staff too. Those are the easiest functions to outsource if any. It gets the school out of the very generous benefits package for those folks. I've worked at a university with both functions outsourced and I can tell you that nobody knows the difference.

                  Edinboro still has to right-size its teaching faculty with the size of the school. The one-year notice means they tell them that their job won't exist 12 months from today. It gives the faculty member time to job search and possibly bid on similar jobs at other PASSHE campuses. Nobody is sitting around "with nothing to do" and getting paid.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

                    Not a really accurate characterization.

                    Edinboro is outsourcing custodial jobs. I've heard rumblings about grounds staff too. Those are the easiest functions to outsource if any. It gets the school out of the very generous benefits package for those folks. I've worked at a university with both functions outsourced and I can tell you that nobody knows the difference.

                    Edinboro still has to right-size its teaching faculty with the size of the school. The one-year notice means they tell them that their job won't exist 12 months from today. It gives the faculty member time to job search and possibly bid on similar jobs at other PASSHE campuses. Nobody is sitting around "with nothing to do" and getting paid.
                    It is a nice perk, though, based on the circumstances. When jobs in the business world cut back ... you may get a week. May.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                      It is a nice perk, though, based on the circumstances. When jobs in the business world cut back ... you may get a week. May.
                      Sure, but its a benefit negotiated by the union. In business if you're let go with a week's notice that gives management a week to find someone to pick up the slack. When you're solely teaching a 15 week course, that can't really be done.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

                        I'd never knock Juco's and the programs they have, but for a lot of the trades, the clearest path is through an apprenticeship. My brother was a Steamfitter before he passed. He said that all a HS graduate had to do was show-up at the union hall and say you wanted to enter the Steamfitter apprenticeship and you were working the next day. Now granted, it's not easy work particularly the first couple of years, but you were working and making a decent wage (about 50K according to my brother). When you completed the program and became an actual Steamfitter, you'd make well above 100K per year without OT (which my brother said was plentiful).

                        I think as a society, we still look down our noses at people who work with their hands for a living...sort of like they are beneath us. I remember a politician recently said that he could teach anyone to be a farmer. All you have to do is put a seed in the ground, cover it with dirt, water it and corn pops up!!! I cringed at how condisending, elitist and stupid a person could be on one sentence. And he wanted to be president!
                        Absolutely - those are also great opportunities to learn a trade.

                        The tech schools tend to be the dominant force around here, being as we have some of the best ones in the entire country in our tri-state area. So much so that I couldn't tell you where the nearest union hall is located. The downside is that businesses are becoming more specialized, and the schools can't adapt as quickly - so a lot of them just end up training graduates to some extent anyway, but those graduates are still highly sought after.

                        Those "dirty jobs" can sometimes be pretty fun and enlightening in their own way. I'll never put somebody down for the job that they do - because it needs to be done. I've often considered learning how to weld and jumping career paths - at least for a few years, so I can make some solid money and have some good job security.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Sec10-A-14 View Post

                          Might not be a bad idea except the unions would strike bec students are taking their park lawn mowing jobs. I was suggest maybe a voucher program for seniors to cut their lawns, shovel snow from walks and or small odd jobs
                          It was just an example.

                          Point being, it doesn't have to just be military service - there are many other ways to contribute to the public.

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                          • #73
                            Edinboro still has to right-size its teaching faculty with the size of the school. The one-year notice means they tell them that their job won't exist 12 months from today. It gives the faculty member time to job search and possibly bid on similar jobs at other PASSHE campuses. Nobody is sitting around "with nothing to do" and getting paid. Well the poor guy getting out sourced doesn't get a yrs pay to do a job search for similar pay. Hit the Bricks

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Sec10-A-14 View Post
                              Edinboro still has to right-size its teaching faculty with the size of the school. The one-year notice means they tell them that their job won't exist 12 months from today. It gives the faculty member time to job search and possibly bid on similar jobs at other PASSHE campuses. Nobody is sitting around "with nothing to do" and getting paid. Well the poor guy getting out sourced doesn't get a yrs pay to do a job search for similar pay. Hit the Bricks
                              It's been in the works for a long time. Openly discussed even, so they've had time to explore the market. Usually in these cases the company who wins the bid offers jobs to those being displaced.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

                                I'd never knock Juco's and the programs they have, but for a lot of the trades, the clearest path is through an apprenticeship. My brother was a Steamfitter before he passed. He said that all a HS graduate had to do was show-up at the union hall and say you wanted to enter the Steamfitter apprenticeship and you were working the next day. Now granted, it's not easy work particularly the first couple of years, but you were working and making a decent wage (about 50K according to my brother). When you completed the program and became an actual Steamfitter, you'd make well above 100K per year without OT (which my brother said was plentiful).

                                I think as a society, we still look down our noses at people who work with their hands for a living...sort of like they are beneath us. I remember a politician recently said that he could teach anyone to be a farmer. All you have to do is put a seed in the ground, cover it with dirt, water it and corn pops up!!! I cringed at how condisending, elitist and stupid a person could be on one sentence. And he wanted to be president!
                                I don't look down my nose when anyone charges me $75 just to walk into my house. I usually say, "Damn I'm in the wrong profession..."

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