PASSHE Institutions Merging

[Bart]

https://www.lockhaven.com/news/local...music-program/

Thanks for the pianos. We will send over some books on Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates.

[Ship69]

Yes. And there will be some schools in PASSHE that do bad, but when the historically strong schools start to lose lots of enrollment too...that could spell PASSHE's demise.

I think PASSHE will stay around in some form, but I'm not sure all the campuses will. Given the falling high school enrollments in Pa., especially in the western part of the state, there probably are too many colleges. The state didn't help things by basically allowing the PSU "branch" campuses to establish themselves as separate four-year entities in competition with the state-owned PASSHE schools.

[iupgroundhog]

I think the value most would name can be achieved without a degree program. However, PASSHE doesn't seem to understand that you can have departments and faculty without degree programs.

Well, this is a Music Education program so it prepares Music teachers. You can't get that without a degree program. This came on my radar because a friend of mine from HS helped start the program and he posted about it on FB.

But it's not just this program it's just an example of many such situations that will arise as they strip the schools (including yours) down to something unrecognizable.

[Fightingscot82]

I think the question here is what is its value, not what is its cost. And a lot of the value of Music and the Arts goes beyond the academic costs. Its value extends well beyond the classroom.

I think the value most would name can be achieved without a degree program. However, PASSHE doesn't seem to understand that you can have departments and faculty without degree programs.

[iupgroundhog]

Music is quite possibly the most expensive major of any. The faculty union contract isn't friendly to how these programs are traditionally structured. Clarion and Edinboro cut their programs within the last decade, Edinboro did after the state spent about $10M on a new building.

I think the question here is what is its value, not what is its cost. And a lot of the value of Music and the Arts goes beyond the academic costs. Its value extends well beyond the classroom.

[Fightingscot82]

https://www.lockhaven.com/news/local...music-program/

Music is quite possibly the most expensive major of any. The faculty union contract isn't friendly to how these programs are traditionally structured. Clarion and Edinboro cut their programs within the last decade, Edinboro did after the state spent about $10M on a new building.

[iupgroundhog]

https://www.lockhaven.com/news/local...music-program/

[iupgroundhog]

I'm curious about spending. Edinboro just gave out $140k in salary raises to 3 administrators. Clarion just gave out upwards of $400k to force a football coaching change. I wonder what splurge Cal has in store.

That is noteworthy. I also noticed that Clarion Wrestling just got back from the Reno Tournament of Champions in Reno, Nevada. That's a big multi-day trip for the team, coaches, and staff. The other D-1 wrestling schools no longer schedule those long trips, although Boro had a dual meet in North Dakota but that's only a one-day competition. LHU and Bloom now have geographically compact schedules which are still highly competitive. Does a trip to Reno come from scholarship money at Clarion? That is doubtful. I must say, though, Clarion Wrestling was down and now they are making a nice resurgence. Football is floundering.

[Fightingscot82]

I'm curious about spending. Edinboro just gave out $140k in salary raises to 3 administrators. Clarion just gave out upwards of $400k to force a football coaching change. I wonder what splurge Cal has in store.

[Bart]

according to College Salary Report

Seems about right.

[Horror Child]

according to College Salary Report

[ironmaniup]

Well, I'd say it is crushing the bar/restaurant industry. You'd also be in a five-alarm panic if you were a slumlord in town. I've mentioned before many of the 'college houses' have been sold off to the flippers and are being sold as single family homes. There are very few students living outside of the immediate campus circumference.

But, yes, with that big of a dip the effect trickles far and wide. Even the coffee shops, pizza places, etc., ... heck of a lot less students to buy overpriced coffee.

One rumor going around is the infamous Carriage House / The Apartment Store is closing at the end of the Spring semester. That has certainly been one of the more notorious places on (near) campus for the past 30 years.

The sad irony is it took decades to get the campus to where it is today. It's big. Closed in (no more streets breaking it up). State of the art buildings and luxury dorms (compared to what we had). And, there's nobody here.

So a big question is how much is covid, and will come back, and how much is just the change in demographics and Failure of the IUP administration to adapt to the new students ? While alot of students I talk to claim they much prefer the face to face classes, there's a large number that want the convenience and ease of the on-line experience, except for a few courses they view as important.

[Fightingscot82]

Well, I'd say it is crushing the bar/restaurant industry. You'd also be in a five-alarm panic if you were a slumlord in town. I've mentioned before many of the 'college houses' have been sold off to the flippers and are being sold as single family homes. There are very few students living outside of the immediate campus circumference.

But, yes, with that big of a dip the effect trickles far and wide. Even the coffee shops, pizza places, etc., ... heck of a lot less students to buy overpriced coffee.

One rumor going around is the infamous Carriage House / The Apartment Store is closing at the end of the Spring semester. That has certainly been one of the more notorious places on (near) campus for the past 30 years.

The sad irony is it took decades to get the campus to where it is today. It's big. Closed in (no more streets breaking it up). State of the art buildings and luxury dorms (compared to what we had). And, there's nobody here.

And to make matters worse, today's students are pretty sedentary. Instead of going out for food, they order in. Instead of going to watch or rent a movie, they're on Netflix. Instead of checking out the local record store (I know, I know), they're on Spotify. Instead of working in town, parents are just giving them money.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I hope it can come back. There are some enrollment positives in that article once you get past the overall numbers.

IUP BigIndians, what you are describing must be devastating for the local economy.

Well, I'd say it is crushing the bar/restaurant industry. You'd also be in a five-alarm panic if you were a slumlord in town. I've mentioned before many of the 'college houses' have been sold off to the flippers and are being sold as single family homes. There are very few students living outside of the immediate campus circumference.

But, yes, with that big of a dip the effect trickles far and wide. Even the coffee shops, pizza places, etc., ... heck of a lot less students to buy overpriced coffee.

One rumor going around is the infamous Carriage House / The Apartment Store is closing at the end of the Spring semester. That has certainly been one of the more notorious places on (near) campus for the past 30 years.

The sad irony is it took decades to get the campus to where it is today. It's big. Closed in (no more streets breaking it up). State of the art buildings and luxury dorms (compared to what we had). And, there's nobody here.

[Matt Burglund]

This article in the IG a few days ago says IUP's Spring enrollment is 7,399.

I believe that total is full-time students who have registered already for the spring semester. Many, many students do not register until later, and that total does not include part-time and clock-hour students. I believe.