PASSHE Institutions Merging

[ironmaniup]

As part of the federal stimulus package resulting from the Great Recession, states received a large one time infusion of federal dollars that was channeled into state education departments. The federal money offset state money that year so there was no reason to spend more via the state budget. That's why the negative number shows up for Rendell that year. Rendell was the most education-friendly governor we have had for a long time.

[iupgroundhog]

Worth posting...again. State provided funds to PASSHE with percentage change over the previous, Governor and control of the House and Senate by year:



2021-22 477,470 -0% Wolf R/R

2020-21 477,470 -0% Wolf R/R

2019-20 477,470 +1.9% Wolf R/R

2018-19 468,108 +3.3% Wolf R/R

2017-18 453,108 +1.9 Wolf R/R

2016-17 444,224 +2.5% Wolf R/R

2015-16 433,389 +5% Wolf R/R

2014-15 412,715 -0% Corbett R/R

2013-14 412,715 -0% Corbett R/R

2012-13 412,715 -0% Corbett R/R

2011-12 412,715 -7.1% Corbett R/R

2010-11 444,470 -0% Rendel D/R

2009-10 444,470 -10.8% Rendel D/R

2008-09 498,509 +3% Rendel D/R

2007-08 483,989 +3.3% Rendel D/R

2006-07 467,622 +2.6 Rendel D/R

2005-06 445,354 Rendel D/R

Source: Pennsylvania State Budget Website

Worth noting...Corbett gets the bulk of blame for cutting PASSHE budget by 7.1% in the 2011-12 while I've never heard a word mentioned about Rendel's 10.8% PASSHE budget cut in 2009-10.

Some salve for the posters that throw darts at Penn State as the reason that the PASSHE is failing...Same year Corbin cut PASSHE funding by 7.1%, he cut Penn State funding by 28+%

As part of the federal stimulus package resulting from the Great Recession, states received a large one time infusion of federal dollars that was channeled into state education departments. The federal money offset state money that year so there was no reason to spend more via the state budget. That's why the negative number shows up for Rendell that year. Rendell was the most education-friendly governor we have had for a long time.

[boatcapt]

Really, a lot of the PASSHE woes can be traced back to Corbett and his cuts..although state support was declining before and didn't really rise much after. Corbett took some $175 million in funding away a year.

That said, yes...the lobbying is a big part. PASSHE, for years did a terrible job of working with the PA Government on funding. And now, as schools fail, the politicians look at them as failing businesses...and the underfunding issue becomes politicized and not fixed.

Worth posting...again. State provided funds to PASSHE with percentage change over the previous, Governor and control of the House and Senate by year:



2021-22 477,470 -0% Wolf R/R

2020-21 477,470 -0% Wolf R/R

2019-20 477,470 +1.9% Wolf R/R

2018-19 468,108 +3.3% Wolf R/R

2017-18 453,108 +1.9 Wolf R/R

2016-17 444,224 +2.5% Wolf R/R

2015-16 433,389 +5% Wolf R/R

2014-15 412,715 -0% Corbett R/R

2013-14 412,715 -0% Corbett R/R

2012-13 412,715 -0% Corbett R/R

2011-12 412,715 -7.1% Corbett R/R

2010-11 444,470 -0% Rendel D/R

2009-10 444,470 -10.8% Rendel D/R

2008-09 498,509 +3% Rendel D/R

2007-08 483,989 +3.3% Rendel D/R

2006-07 467,622 +2.6 Rendel D/R

2005-06 445,354 Rendel D/R

Source: Pennsylvania State Budget Website

Worth noting...Corbett gets the bulk of blame for cutting PASSHE budget by 7.1% in the 2011-12 while I've never heard a word mentioned about Rendel's 10.8% PASSHE budget cut in 2009-10.

Some salve for the posters that throw darts at Penn State as the reason that the PASSHE is failing...Same year Corbin cut PASSHE funding by 7.1%, he cut Penn State funding by 28+%

[Ship69]

I don't know. If you cut any of the state systems in the US funding by some $300 million, I think they won't be doing well.

It's like a bait and switch. The state partially funded these schools at a certain percentage, then 20 years ago started cutting that funding. We're some $300 million behind the average state around us.

Take $300 million off of the Ohio system and see how they're doing.

I do think there are inefficiencies in the schools. But I don't think it adds up to $300 million a year. And as the funding goes down, the cost for students goes up...which prices students out of going to them. It's a vicious cycle.

[complaint_hopeful]

They are.

I don't know. If you cut any of the state systems in the US funding by some $300 million, I think they won't be doing well.

It's like a bait and switch. The state partially funded these schools at a certain percentage, then 20 years ago started cutting that funding. We're some $300 million behind the average state around us.

Take $300 million off of the Ohio system and see how they're doing.

I do think there are inefficiencies in the schools. But I don't think it adds up to $300 million a year. And as the funding goes down, the cost for students goes up...which prices students out of going to them. It's a vicious cycle.

[Ship69]

Pitt and Penn State are virtually shielded from public record. They're not independent non-profits so they don't have to file a 990 tax filing. But they're not state entities so they're not subject to the open records law. So the public has to rely on trustees reports, federal reporting, etc.

There are no secrets at PASSHE schools. Any one of us can file a RTK on what any employee says about us. Or to solve any rumor of scandal.

True. When the salaries of Big Ten football coaches are reported, there are two you generally don't get, Northwestern (private school) and Penn State.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Really, a lot of the PASSHE woes can be traced back to Corbett and his cuts..although state support was declining before and didn't really rise much after. Corbett took some $175 million in funding away a year.

That said, yes...the lobbying is a big part. PASSHE, for years did a terrible job of working with the PA Government on funding. And now, as schools fail, the politicians look at them as failing businesses...and the underfunding issue becomes politicized and not fixed.

They are.

[complaint_hopeful]

Really, a lot of the PASSHE woes can be traced back to Corbett and his cuts..although state support was declining before and didn't really rise much after. Corbett took some $175 million in funding away a year.

That said, yes...the lobbying is a big part. PASSHE, for years did a terrible job of working with the PA Government on funding. And now, as schools fail, the politicians look at them as failing businesses...and the underfunding issue becomes politicized and not fixed.

[iupgroundhog]

Why are we subsidizing horse racing?

It's because they have better lobbyists than PASSHE.

[Fightingscot82]

Interesting stats. We always tend to hear of the declining enrollments at the PASSHE schools, but not so much at the PSU branches. I knew the Harrisburg PSU campus was one of the stronger ones. One of my grandsons got his undergrad engineering degree there. He's doing MBA work at Ship.

Pitt and Penn State are virtually shielded from public record. They're not independent non-profits so they don't have to file a 990 tax filing. But they're not state entities so they're not subject to the open records law. So the public has to rely on trustees reports, federal reporting, etc.

There are no secrets at PASSHE schools. Any one of us can file a RTK on what any employee says about us. Or to solve any rumor of scandal.

[Ship69]

Penn State is our land grant university. They're not going away. Pitt was private from 1787 to 1966 when the state gave them a permanent bailout from bankruptcy. Same goes for Temple and Lincoln. The idea was to alleviate the burden on Penn State and provide greater access to an R1 education. Other states have done this - Ohio took Akron, Cincinnati, Toledo, & YSU under their wings with the same rationale. I honestly don't know what the rationale was for Lincoln - maybe being the first HBCU (Cheyney is older but wasn't a college/university until later).

The problem with Penn State & Pitt is the mission creep done through the branch campuses. Some of them - UPJ, Pitt Bradford, Penn State Erie ('Behrend'), etc are robust campuses with grad programs and NCAA athletics. They directly compete for students. There's a rumor that Penn State was going to test football at the Altoona campus in the 90s until Paterno put an end to it.

Most of them are failing enterprises. This data is a little old and since it came from the Philly Trib it doesn't consider Pitt.

Interesting stats. We always tend to hear of the declining enrollments at the PASSHE schools, but not so much at the PSU branches. I knew the Harrisburg PSU campus was one of the stronger ones. One of my grandsons got his undergrad engineering degree there. He's doing MBA work at Ship.

[Ship69]

Why are we subsidizing horse racing?

Good question. And each race horse is subsidized to a great extent than the average Pa. college student.

[complaint_hopeful]

Off Topic but WPXI has reported a shooting this morning at or very close to the Cal U campus. Alleged shooter is in custody.

As far as I can tell in the news, a gun was fired but no one was shot. It appears to be a few blocks off campus. The articles I read say no injuries.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Off Topic but WPXI has reported a shooting this morning at or very close to the Cal U campus. Alleged shooter is in custody.

[Fightingscot82]

Why do Pitt and Penn State, etc receive so much state funding? Essentially PA subsidizes them to compete with PASSHE?

Why don't politicians divert some of this money to PASSHE? Both Reps and Dems have been in power over the last 22 years since this dramatic cut in funding...

Penn State is our land grant university. They're not going away. Pitt was private from 1787 to 1966 when the state gave them a permanent bailout from bankruptcy. Same goes for Temple and Lincoln. The idea was to alleviate the burden on Penn State and provide greater access to an R1 education. Other states have done this - Ohio took Akron, Cincinnati, Toledo, & YSU under their wings with the same rationale. I honestly don't know what the rationale was for Lincoln - maybe being the first HBCU (Cheyney is older but wasn't a college/university until later).

The problem with Penn State & Pitt is the mission creep done through the branch campuses. Some of them - UPJ, Pitt Bradford, Penn State Erie ('Behrend'), etc are robust campuses with grad programs and NCAA athletics. They directly compete for students. There's a rumor that Penn State was going to test football at the Altoona campus in the 90s until Paterno put an end to it.

Most of them are failing enterprises. This data is a little old and since it came from the Philly Trib it doesn't consider Pitt.