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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    This is what everyone should want. Generally goes the same for how presidents feel about Greek Life. Everyone loves the good - but no amount of good makes people put up with the bad, especially when the bad hits the media or courtroom.

    PASSHE schools generally can't deny admission for something like a criminal record. You can be charged with attempted murder and they can only admit based on what's on the application. However, sometimes things come through the transfer process that the player never disclosed to the coach and aren't discoverable through Google or court records sites. Federal regulations on sexual assault when the accused is a college student allows the alleged victim to have the school adjudicate rather than go through the lengthy criminal process. If so, that doesn't always show on a Google search or in court records if there aren't police charges.
    It's very hard to hide anything today (providing teams are actually doing their due diligence). Of course, you wonder how often that happens.

    If the staff digs anything up of substance I'd prefer they just don't make any offers. These guys can help for a couple weeks but if they are arrested in Week 4 it just leaves you a giant hole. I also wonder how good these transfers with rap sheets are inside the locker room.

    With our limited scholarships, tying up a full ride (or even a half) on a big risk is, well, a big risk.

    Again, to preface, I'm talking about guys who have committed serious crimes.


    Years ago IUP basketball tossed a star player (all-conference level) for an extremely serious incident. A couple years later he landed at Slippery Rock. He was banned from the IUP campus. SRU had to file a court order so he could play against IUP at the KCAC. It amazes me to this day SRU even recruited him based on his criminal background.
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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    The definition of 'incidents' likely is complex. Criminal record I agree take a pass. Not worth the risk. Sure, some work out. Many don't -- and it then makes the program look bad. Not to mention, depending on the severity, can put the rest of campus in danger.

    Tying up limited funds in a flight risk is too risky. There's no return on investment if they are arrested again, etc. I'm sure people will point to Max Redfield, who was a banner citizen at IUP.

    Maybe my opinion on this is flawed because I was here during the Frank years (and the even worse Gary Edwards era). Frank had many, well, not banner citizens. Most Monday mornings were nerve-wracking waiting for the police docket to come out.

    That said, something like underage drinking is quite different than robbery, sexual assault, b&e, etc.

    For the most part, Tort has had very few issues off the field in his tenure. His teams have been pretty well-behaved.

    Driscoll does support athletics but he doesn't take much crap.
    This is what everyone should want. Generally goes the same for how presidents feel about Greek Life. Everyone loves the good - but no amount of good makes people put up with the bad, especially when the bad hits the media or courtroom.

    PASSHE schools generally can't deny admission for something like a criminal record. You can be charged with attempted murder and they can only admit based on what's on the application. However, sometimes things come through the transfer process that the player never disclosed to the coach and aren't discoverable through Google or court records sites. Federal regulations on sexual assault when the accused is a college student allows the alleged victim to have the school adjudicate rather than go through the lengthy criminal process. If so, that doesn't always show on a Google search or in court records if there aren't police charges.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by Iupgh View Post

    There is more to a transfer than grades. Past school incidents, criminal record and a college that thinks they are Vanderbilt regarding credentials.
    The definition of 'incidents' likely is complex. Criminal record I agree take a pass. Not worth the risk. Sure, some work out. Many don't -- and it then makes the program look bad. Not to mention, depending on the severity, can put the rest of campus in danger.

    Tying up limited funds in a flight risk is too risky. There's no return on investment if they are arrested again, etc. I'm sure people will point to Max Redfield, who was a banner citizen at IUP.

    Maybe my opinion on this is flawed because I was here during the Frank years (and the even worse Gary Edwards era). Frank had many, well, not banner citizens. Most Monday mornings were nerve-wracking waiting for the police docket to come out.

    That said, something like underage drinking is quite different than robbery, sexual assault, b&e, etc.

    For the most part, Tort has had very few issues off the field in his tenure. His teams have been pretty well-behaved.

    Driscoll does support athletics but he doesn't take much crap.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by Iupgh View Post

    There is more to a transfer than grades. Past school incidents, criminal record and a college that thinks they are Vanderbilt regarding credentials.
    Transfers do get complicated, especially with more focused private schools that don't have many liberal arts core classes required for all students.

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  • Iupgh
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    I'm not arguing with you but how can one NOT get accepted at IUP right now? They must have near 1.0 GPA's for Christ sake. The acceptance rate right now is off the charts.

    Is there more to the story (arrests, etc.?)
    There is more to a transfer than grades. Past school incidents, criminal record and a college that thinks they are Vanderbilt regarding credentials.

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    At most schools 55-65% of students are women and the gap is growing. That's the big problem for people who don't care for gender equity.
    Maybe cutting mens sports is one of the reasons for the growing gap......

    IUP not having a men's soccer team is stupid. Well we had one when I was there but it was a Title IX casualty.

    Also....do the same percentage of the female population participate in sports as men? I'm asking a question....I don't know that answer but I am assuming that men are more oriented to play competitive sports than women.


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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

    That’s where Title IX needs to be amended. It needs to exclude foosball in the tallies. There are no ladies sports that costs as much and has the roster size as foosball.

    All Title IX has done is cut men’s sports. It was supposed to open up opportunities for women, not cut them for men.
    At most schools 55-65% of students are women and the gap is growing. That's the big problem for people who don't care for gender equity.

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    I'm not arguing with you but how can one NOT get accepted at IUP right now? They must have near 1.0 GPA's for Christ sake. The acceptance rate right now is off the charts.

    Is there more to the story (arrests, etc.?)
    That’s most colleges these days…

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    I think the challenge for a lot of our schools is also finding the money for the women's teams to be Title IX compliant.
    That’s where Title IX needs to be amended. It needs to exclude foosball in the tallies. There are no ladies sports that costs as much and has the roster size as foosball.

    All Title IX has done is cut men’s sports. It was supposed to open up opportunities for women, not cut them for men.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    I'm not arguing with you but how can one NOT get accepted at IUP right now? They must have near 1.0 GPA's for Christ sake. The acceptance rate right now is off the charts.

    Is there more to the story (arrests, etc.?)
    PASSHE can't deny admission for things like criminal records. They can deny campus living or force them into an online program, but can't outright deny unless they're a previously documented threat to campus safety.

    But I think you're in the right direction that there must be more there. Kid didn't actually graduate high school, didn't submit a deposit, etc.

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  • Ram040506
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    I'm not arguing with you but how can one NOT get accepted at IUP right now? They must have near 1.0 GPA's for Christ sake. The acceptance rate right now is off the charts.

    Is there more to the story (arrests, etc.?)
    Seriously lol, all of our schools are basically accepting anyone who can spell their name at this point. FACT.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by Iupgh View Post

    Gannon fully funded in hoops and football. In addition they can get anyone in. Not the case at IUP where the administration has denied severally all Americans in the last 3 years. Fact.
    I'm not arguing with you but how can one NOT get accepted at IUP right now? They must have near 1.0 GPA's for Christ sake. The acceptance rate right now is off the charts.

    Is there more to the story (arrests, etc.?)

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  • Iupgh
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    Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

    If the private schools are that high, they're sure not getting much out of it. Ship, with the league's lowest-rated offense this season, just beat Gannon for the second year in a row. Eight scholarships would be pretty pathetic for football. A lot of the basketball programs in the conference are at or near that.
    Gannon fully funded in hoops and football. In addition they can get anyone in. Not the case at IUP where the administration has denied severally all Americans in the last 3 years. Fact.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by Ram040506 View Post

    I don't think Shepherd would have joined the PSAC if that were the case either. They aren't there, but the goal (like many, maybe a pipe dream) is to get to the full offering of 36.
    I think the challenge for a lot of our schools is also finding the money for the women's teams to be Title IX compliant.

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  • Ram040506
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    Pretty sure this is incorrect. As others have stated, several years ago the PSAC dropped a 25 cap on football as part of the negotiation to bring in Mercyhurst & Gannon. If this was brought back and nobody covered it or talked about it, that would be Deep State level secrecy.
    I don't think Shepherd would have joined the PSAC if that were the case either. They aren't there, but the goal (like many, maybe a pipe dream) is to get to the full offering of 36.

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