PSAC 2023 (Week 1) Non-Conference Games

[IUPNation]

That makes way too much sense.

What's the difference. The top teams rarely schedule each other. For every IUP vs Ashland there are 45 Cal vs AB type games.

I know fans like to see other opponents but scheduling is a nightmare -- especially when you are limited to Week 1.

It’s easier but it would suck not to play teams from other conferences.

[ctrabs74]

The new scheduling alliance by the SAC and MEC is going to hurt options wise for the PSAC. The NE10 and GMAC will be the only options in terms of local, and then most will have to look to the GLIAC or CIAA perhaps for that week 1 game.

Or, there's always the last resort of either playing up (FCS) or down (D3/NAIA), neither of which would seem appealing for a team looking to build a playoff resume.

[Ram040506]

Or you can go SILO and add a fourth crossover.

You're not wrong, but that would suck. It's fine the way it is, 10 games and if you want an 11th go find it. I wouldn't want to be subjected to an 11th game in conference.

[Fightingscot82]

Or, there's always the last resort of either playing up (FCS) or down (D3/NAIA), neither of which would seem appealing for a team looking to build a playoff resume.

A win versus FCS or D3 is better than not playing a game at all because while it doesn't count toward the D2 WP, they intentionally create the less weighted overall WP because this is much more common in other regions that have fewer CFB teams. So going 9-1 in D2 and 10-1 overall is better than 9-1 D2 and 9-1 overall.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe games outside D2 count toward the OWP.

[WarriorVoice]

Spring games seem pointless.

...To the uneducated

[Fightingscot82]

I'm coming around on the insular schedule. Most people in the stadium don't know East Stroudsburg from Eastern Kentucky. Except hopefully the ESU students.

[IUPNation]

...To the uneducated

Then don’t whine when your starters go down with injury during one…but you will.

Will you be mad you can’t run a bitter message across the scoreboard at IUP in the fall? Maybe I’ll come up for that game and get the seat right below you in the booth. I can stand up and blow kisses to you. Wouldn’t that be fun!!

[IUPNation]

I'm coming around on the insular schedule. Most people in the stadium don't know East Stroudsburg from Eastern Kentucky. Except hopefully the ESU students.

It’s basically a last resort when you can’t find anyone for the 11th game.

If The Home Office in Lock Haven decided to go SILO they would have to find a formula to determine cross overs every year.

[ctrabs74]

It’s basically a last resort when you can’t find anyone for the 11th game.

If The Home Office in Lock Haven decided to go SILO they would have to find a formula to determine cross overs every year.

And then, then the silo cross-over scheduling schemes are released, IUP fans will complain about getting jobbed. We've seen that script before.

[IUPNation]

And then, then the silo cross-over scheduling schemes are released, IUP fans will complain about getting jobbed. We've seen that script before.

Not if it’s based on a formula based on where you finished the previous season. There is no rhyme or reason to how they determine the crossovers now and how you get stuck with a gauntlet for two years and all SOS anchors the next two year. It needs to be somewhat evened out to position the league better for playoff slots.

If the Pee Sack went SILO...they should do this to determine the cross overs after every season for the following season.

You will have two 8 team cross over groups based on finishes.

Group A would be the teams that finished 1, 3, 5, 7.

Group B would be then 2, 4, 6, 8.

Crossovers would now count in the standings for each division.

You set the schedule up that you start off the season playing two crossovers, a home and away...have another crossover in Week 5 and then the final crossover the last week where you are matched with the team that finished in the same position in the other division the previous season.

For 2023..East would host games in Week 1 and 11...West in Weeks 2 and 5. It would flip in 2024.

For 2023 the groups would look like this:

Group A - IUP, LITAF, Edinboro, Seton Hill, Shepherd, Walk On U, East Dennyburg and Bloomsburg

Group B - Slimey Pebble. Mon Valley U, Clarion, The Lake Show, Kutztown, Millersville, Shippensburg, Lock Haven

IUP's 2023 Schedule Would Look Like This

Week 1 - At Bloomsburg
Week 2 - East Dennyburg
Week 3 - At The Lake Show
Week 4 - At Slimey Pebble
Week 5 - Walk On U
Week 6 - Mon Valley U
Week 7 - Edinboro
Week 8 - At Seton Hill
Week 9 - LIT AF
Week 10 - At Clarion
Week 11 - At Shepherd (or PSAC State Game vs #1 in East after Week 10 which could still be Shepherd).

Week 1 Crossovers
West 1 at East 7
West 2 at East 8
West 3 at East 5
West 4 at East 6
West 5 at East 3
West 6 at East 4
West 7 at East 1
West 8 at East 2

Week 2 Crossovers
East 5 at West 1
East 6 at West 2
East 7 at West 3
East 8 at West 4
East 4 at West 8
East 3 at West 7
East 2 at West 6
East 1 at West 5

Week 5 Crossovers

East 3 at West 1
East 1 at West 3
East 2 at West 4
East 4 at West 2
East 7 at West 5
East 5 at West 7
East 8 at West 6
East 6 at West 8


Week 11 Crossovers pre scheduled**
West 1 at East 1
West 2 at East 2
West 3 at East 3
West 4 at East 4
West 5 at East 5
West 6 at East 6
West 7 at East 7
West 8 at East 8

** After Week 10, the top two teams in the current standings in east division will face off if it's not both IUP and Shepherd.

Whoever each #1 team was to face in the preschedule..would then face off in Week 10 just like it currently is in Week 11.

Only 4 teams maximum could have their schedules changed for the final week.

The Home Office in Lock Haven can send me a nice gift of thanks in the event we they decide to go SILO and I figured out their job.

[Ram040506]

Not if it’s based on a formula based on where you finished the previous season. There is no rhyme or reason to how they determine the crossovers now and how you get stuck with a guantlet one year and then SOS anchors the next year.

Aren't they just rotating the opponents so that you play everyone in a 6 year period essentially? In the few years Shepherd has been in the league, Rams have yet to play Mercyhurst and Rock. But only because of the last weekend of the year shuffle due to the PSAC championship.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Not if it’s based on a formula based on where you finished the previous season. There is no rhyme or reason to how they determine the crossovers now and how you get stuck with a guantlet one year and then SOS anchors the next year.

If the Pee Sack went SILO...they should do this to determine the cross overs after every season for the following season.

You will have two 8 team cross over groups based on finishes.

Group A would be the teams that finished 1, 3, 5, 7.

Group B would be then 2, 4, 6, 8.

Crossovers would now count in the standings for each division.

You set the schedule up that you start off the season playing two crossovers, a home and away...have another crossover in Week 5 and then the final crossover the last week where you are matched with the team that finished in the same position in the other division.

For 2023..East would host games in Week 1 and 11...West in Weeks 2 and 5.

For 2023 the groups would look like this:

Group A - IUP, LITAF, Edinboro, Seton Hill, Shepherd, Walk On U, East Dennyburg and Bloomsburg

Group B - Slimey Pebble. Mon Valley U, Clarion, The Lake Show, Kutztown, Millersville, Shippensburg, Lock Haven

The East is the host of the first and last week and the West hosts the two middle games of the season on the crossovers.

IUP's 2023 Schedule Would Look Like This

Week 1 - At Bloomsburg
Week 2 - East Dennyburg
Week 3 - At The Lake Show
Week 4 - At Slimey Pebble
Week 5 - Walk On U
Week 6 - Mon Valley U
Week 7 - Edinboro
Week 8 - At Seton Hill
Week 9 - LIT AF
Week 10 - At Clarion
Week 11 - At Shepherd (or PSAC State Game vs #1 in East after Week 10 which could still be Shepherd).

As long as they keep the gym teachers and the Viet Mon back to back for the 10th straight year IUP fans will love it.

[IUPNation]

Aren't they just rotating the opponents so that you play everyone in a 6 year period essentially? In the few years Shepherd has been in the league, Rams have yet to play Mercyhurst and Rock. But only because of the last weekend of the year shuffle due to the PSAC championship.

There is no rhyme or reason as to how they decide crossovers. They never explain how or why they do what they do.

IUP gets the East SOS Anchors for two years where they can't lose any game or they are out of the playoffs or they run the gauntlet where they get every top East team where they get the SOS but then they miss the playoffs for losing a game. The NCAA committee spreadsheets suck.

[Fightingscot82]

I think its worthy of considering if coaches refuse to play D3 games like most other PSAC sports have been doing for decades. People on one side of the state have never heard of the schools on the other side of the state. Heck, you'll find some people who have never heard of the schools in the same division until they recruit their kid. Lifelong metro Pittsburgh residents still say "wait isn't there a Penn State campus called 'California'?".

[Ram040506]

There is no rhyme or reason as to how they decide crossovers. They never explain how or why they do what they do.

IUP gets the East SOS Anchors for two years where they can't lose any game or they are out of the playoffs or they run the gauntlet where they get every top East team where they get the SOS but then they miss the playoffs for losing a game. The NCAA committee spreadsheets suck.

2022 IUP got ESU and Ship (Shep PSAC champ game switch from Bloom)
2021 IUP got KU/Shep/WC (shep replaced Cheyney? This was bad luck for IUP, and now yes is a gauntlet of a schedule)
2019 IUP got Millersville/LH and Ship
2018 IUP got Millersville/LH and Ship
2017 IUP got ESU/Cheyney and WC in the PSAC champ game replacing Bloom
2016 IUP got ESU/Cheyney and Bloom
2015 IUP got KU/LH and Cheyney

You guys have ESU/Ship/Bloom this year. I'd imagine next year you are going to get Millersville/LH and probably West Chester. I think what they are doing is taking whoever is in that 3rd slot (last game of the year) and they move them up to the front of the schedule on the next cycle. So West Chester was the 3rd game for the 2020/2021 seasons, Shep and KU were in the front of that so they'll be the pairing in 2025 I think along with Bloom then.