Scott Wooster named GVSU Head Coach

[KleShreen]

Probably the most accurate statement you've made on the board.

Yup. I'm just like everyone else here.

[DawgUp]

Nah. I'm a know-nothing plebe. I just cause chaos and mischief everywhere as the Minister of Disinformation.

Probably the most accurate statement you've made on the board.

[MrsThortonMelon]

Here is a list of the academic elite in DII. MTU and Davenport seem pretty good and Hillsdale is at a completely different level. I do like the graduation rates at GVSU for their athletes.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/12/19...xcellence.aspx

Not a big deal but DU was allowed to use their associates degree programs as completed courses of study...which they were but still a bit off. Also this date is pre football and the 63 odd transfers that DY has brought in over the past two years..many were not transfers from the IVYs either...as for Hunter Rison, his grades were never an issue. Oddly enough the person he attacked did recant her story but that was after Kansas talked him into taking a plea deal...but no one cares about that. Where Hunter screwed up was listening to the folks that told him to come out instead of playing another year and getting good enough...that happens...Hey...what was this thread about before Kle and SVSU got it off track,,,forgot its been so long..O yea...Hillsdale DOES make a few exceptions for football...if you need a name or two DM me. These brothers were not 1.4GPAs or anything but they were more like 2.8s...from a VERY conservative family in Ottawa County in Michigan...ok...carry on with the name calling and fact challenges...btw..Scott Wooster is a home run hire.

[Redwing]

For the record.. I'm not sorry that I brought up academics and GV. The banter has been amusing and maybe eye opening for some.

On this, Kle is spot on. Just like Notre Dame for example. The ND head coach can't just bring anyone that meets D1 academic rqmnts. The school says no. They have some higher requirements. You can't prove who ND didn't take since they know up front that they won't meet some minimum standard and won't offer them. Same goes at GV. Kelly and Martin didn't have to meet that. So more than a few of those stars that won the Natty then, wouldn't qualify to play in this era at GV. It changed with the administration. Believe it or not, that is a fact. MM would not be allowed to get those guys in. Xfers have different requirements, so no clue about them, but I suspect there is also a bar they have to meet there too. I know that the team has had Xfers that didn't make the academic cut. I wouldn't be surprised if Hillsdale had something like that too. No clue on other schools.

Don't believe it if you want, but there have been kids that GV wanted that admin wouldn't admit and they went to elsewhere. This topic has come up almost every season when the OG wanted MM gone. It's not the first time this has been raised as an issue. Again, it's not that OVERALL GV has such a high academic standard. It's pretty good, but that's not what is going on here. It's the lower level academic bar that is higher at GV than some other D2 schools. There are also some academic program options that GV doesn't offer that other schools use. It's not academic majors but I think it's something related to associate type degrees and grants. Ever wonder about how many players are on a roster with only 35 athletic scholarships? But let's not muddy the waters more.

Suffice to say, not all schools play by the same requirements.. some self imposed, others just the nature of how the university operates.

[KleShreen]

Evidence or just the GV way of thinking. You all seem to think the GV way of thinking is evidence of a tough academic policy for athletes. For god sakes you all think a 2.2 GPA 5 star athlete can play football for Harvard, right Kle?

A 5-star athlete is going to be admitted in any school in the country they want to go to as long as they meet the NCAA minimums. Now a 2-star athlete with a 2.2 GPA? They're not getting special admittance to Harvard. The 5-star athlete will. It's not worth it for the 2-star kid.

[KleShreen]

It's hard to tell whether this smooth brain understands the concept you are describing. But could you give some evidence of this concept?

I spent two years working for a (no longer existing) recruiting website. There's a ton of recruits every year who go through the process of waiting to hear back on whether they would be accepted by certain schools through the special talent admissions board. Some schools wouldn't accept them because there were higher-ranked players who got the limited spots instead, and some schools wouldn't accept them because their academic profile was just too low to be overlooked for their athletic profile and still maintain the school's overall academic profile. Other schools weighed athletic performance much higher than the school's academic profile. It's all a balancing act. Not saying any school is more correct than another. All the schools are different. Some schools won't take anyone who wouldn't get in to the school normally without athletics. Some schools will take any athletes who meet the NCAA minimum requirements. It's not my business to name names of recruits who went through that process. There's no reason to publicly shame anyone because of that.

Back in my college days, if I were a football recruit, I'd have been accepted at GV as normal with my middle 50% GPA and ACT score for my incoming freshman class that year. If I were a football recruit today at GV, I'd have to be subject to the special talent admissions board and hope my GPA and ACT were just okay enough, paired with my superior athletic talent (lol) to earn special admission, because I would definitely not be accepted by the regular admission standards GV uses these days.

There's no set standard that schools use. There's no formula like "well if our incoming freshmen have a 3.5 GPA and a 30 ACT, we'll only accept 3-star football recruits who have at least a 2.5 GPA and 25 ACT, but if they're 2-star football recruits they need to have a 2.7 GPA and a 27 ACT" or anything.

They're case-by-case hearings, generally attended by representatives from the admissions department, faculty, athletics, and coaches, to discuss what kind of special academic advisement will be given to the recruit to make sure they perform well, academically, if admitted. The number of times this happens varies from school to school. All depends how the higher-ups operate. If a school tells their football coaches they can only get 5 special admittance kids each year, then the coaches probably aren't gonna submit 30 kids for the process. They're gonna pick-and-choose to stay in the good graces of the people who sign their paychecks.

[SVSUAlum]

Nah. I'm a know-nothing plebe. I just cause chaos and mischief everywhere as the Minister of Disinformation.

See I knew it. Finally Kle I have been waiting all night for you to admit that.

[SVSUAlum]

It's hard to tell whether this smooth brain understands the concept you are describing. But could you give some evidence of this concept?

Evidence or just the GV way of thinking. You all seem to think the GV way of thinking is evidence of a tough academic policy for athletes. For god sakes you all think a 2.2 GPA 5 star athlete can play football for Harvard, right Kle?

[KleShreen]

I just have a hard time believing you know anything about the inner doing at GVSU or any other school’s admissions policy or how many special people they let in. Maybe GVSU lets in 5 and Ferris lets in 15 who knows? Do you know how many of these special exceptions are on the GVSU team or how many the administrators allow with your insider informative?

Nah. I'm a know-nothing plebe. I just cause chaos and mischief everywhere as the Minister of Disinformation.

[Brandon]

Here is a list of the academic elite in DII. MTU and Davenport seem pretty good and Hillsdale is at a completely different level. I do like the graduation rates at GVSU for their athletes.
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/12/19...xcellence.aspx

Do you know how the NCAA attempts to measure this?

Colorado Mines, Missouri S&T, and South Dakota Mines are often among the lists of best colleges. They were missing from the list.

[SVSUAlum]

I disagree with this notion. You're not alone with it, but I'm simply using your post as a means of replying.. I think players, Brady especially, ARE Grand Valley or any program. With exceptions, coaches are most likely transitory employees. No one can take away Brady's letters or contributions.

This is so true. Coaches are great but you can’t replace the blood, sweat, and tears you shed with your brothers over 4 to 5 years as a player. If you played college ball and graduated from that university you bleed that school forever.

[yote_7]

Again, you seem to be unable to understand how the schools themselves have different academic standards for who they will consider for admittance, regardless of the NCAA eligibility minimums lol. I don't know how else to explain it to you. I've done it multiple times now. There are recruits that Ferris and SVSU can admit which GV can not because of the *school's* standards and limits on special talent exceptions. I don't know if you're just not understanding this, or if you just plain don't believe it. Do you realize that Harvard and North Dakota State are both subject to the same NCAA eligibility requirements, but Harvard still does not accept the same academic profiles that NDSU can? Or is this just.....not a concept you understand? I'm being specifically hyperbolic with this example. I am not comparing GV to Harvard lol I'm simply asking if you understand this concept.

It's hard to tell whether this smooth brain understands the concept you are describing. But could you give some evidence of this concept?

[yote_7]

See at least one guy admits it. Just kidding I get your GV sarcasm.

It was a very difficult hump to get over for me, but ultimately I did it. I sat my gf down and had her watch the 49-17 beat down when the Lakers embarrassed the cardinals in Saginaw. It's an ugly game to watch

[Brandon]

I just think you might be giving too much credence to playing career over coaching career in this instance.

I disagree with this notion. You're not alone with it, but I'm simply using your post as a means of replying.. I think players, Brady especially, ARE Grand Valley or any program. With exceptions, coaches are most likely transitory employees. No one can take away Brady's letters or contributions.

[SVSUAlum]

Again, you seem to be unable to understand how the schools themselves have different academic standards for who they will consider for admittance, regardless of the NCAA eligibility minimums lol. I don't know how else to explain it to you. I've done it multiple times now. There are recruits that Ferris and SVSU can admit which GV can not because of the *school's* standards and limits on special talent exceptions. I don't know if you're just not understanding this, or if you just plain don't believe it. Do you realize that Harvard and North Dakota State are both subject to the same NCAA eligibility requirements, but Harvard still does not accept the same academic profiles that NDSU can? Or is this just.....not a concept you understand? I'm being specifically hyperbolic with this example. I am not comparing GV to Harvard lol I'm simply asking if you understand this concept.

I just have a hard time believing you know anything about the inner doing at GVSU or any other school’s admissions policy or how many special people they let in. Maybe GVSU lets in 5 and Ferris lets in 15 who knows? Do you know how many of these special exceptions are on the GVSU team or how many the administrators allow with your insider informative?