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Originally posted by the Northeasterner View PostNo PP. Unk UCO lindenwood and nsuball came in together. We all thought it was going to be split into divisions. But then there was tons of posts about not having a real conference champion. Next thing you know. SW and Lincoln get to play football in glvc . Then. Truman bails. Sw follows. And Lincoln is back in .
I remember them doing a split for a couple of years. I also remember a mediocre ESU team getting a playoff spot because they were the soft side of the schedule.
At that time, I liked the idea of a true conference champ. I was wrong about that because they chose to do it by becoming insular. What I wanted the conference to avoid was a welfare system like the LSC used to have where the South had legit teams, while the north was all garbage.
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Colleges are like mini communities in and of themselves. That's the community you should be selling. Selling kids on local attractions and night life isn't going to get you the kind of players you want, imo. A great relationship with the community and fan base helps, but I really don't think "hey we have an NBA team" is convincing d2 players to choose one school over another.
Maybe that's different at commuter schools like UCO, idk?
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That wasn't a welfare system that was as form or serfdom. We got beat up by schools who had more resources and less travel. The north had more cross over games than south every year. And for nsu being way further north and east it was horrible. It was 18 hours to enmu and 17 to tamuk. Moving into miaa was looking like a more fair and equitable place to house sports. Pitt and moso are closer to nsu than even the other Oklahoma schools are. And uco leaving was shocking to me. They had nearthirty years in the lsc. The other three leaving and heading to gac was the smart for them. Maybe nsu should have joined but we don't do volleyball and have soccer which had no home in the GAC at time If it seemed like I was saying that we joined because of a bunch of easier competition. That wasn't my point. It was just going to be a little more competitive for us with Truman, Lincoln and SW Baptist and a year later they were all gone. I think silo Favors NWMsU and mo west and I think it's neutral on Pitt, emporia. Washburn and hurts the rest of the conf . I think it just beats us down from top to bottom thru season and therefore We are not getting top seeds and are not winning the region. And I believe it hurting all the programs and ckeary only benefitting two and needs to change
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Originally posted by the Northeasterner View PostThat wasn't a welfare system that was as form or serfdom. We got beat up by schools who had more resources and less travel. The north had more cross over games than south every year. And for nsu being way further north and east it was horrible. It was 18 hours to enmu and 17 to tamuk. Moving into miaa was looking like a more fair and equitable place to house sports. Pitt and moso are closer to nsu than even the other Oklahoma schools are. And uco leaving was shocking to me. They had nearthirty years in the lsc. The other three leaving and heading to gac was the smart for them. Maybe nsu should have joined but we don't do volleyball and have soccer which had no home in the GAC at time If it seemed like I was saying that we joined because of a bunch of easier competition. That wasn't my point. It was just going to be a little more competitive for us with Truman, Lincoln and SW Baptist and a year later they were all gone. I think silo Favors NWMsU and mo west and I think it's neutral on Pitt, emporia. Washburn and hurts the rest of the conf . I think it just beats us down from top to bottom thru season and therefore We are not getting top seeds and are not winning the region. And I believe it hurting all the programs and ckeary only benefitting two and needs to change
Hays, WU, UNK, MW, UCM, UCO, NW, and ESU have all fielded playoff caliber teams. All were door mats at one time.
What happened in the MIAA will also happen in the GAC. The doormats will either leave or get tired of losing and get better.
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Originally posted by Hornetfan View Post
You are correct. For the MIAA to get two teams in either ESU or NWMSU needs to win out. There is no way a three loss team should make the playoffs out of this region in the current set up. But a two loss MIAA team should make it.
My only question is would UCO losing their last two games help or hurt? The overall SOS would not change but it would improve both teams records against teams above .500
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Originally posted by Predatory Primates View PostColleges are like mini communities in and of themselves. That's the community you should be selling. Selling kids on local attractions and night life isn't going to get you the kind of players you want, imo. A great relationship with the community and fan base helps, but I really don't think "hey we have an NBA team" is convincing d2 players to choose one school over another.
Maybe that's different at commuter schools like UCO, idk?
i dont honeslty know what else you could sell to an 18year old football player. OU has the football tradition. lOSUr has the town of stillwater and inbreeding and Central has...well the city.
both of my boys liked the feeling of Pitt and Maryville because of the towns kind of made the players out like rock stars. six one way, half dozen the other.
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Originally posted by GorillaTeacher View PostSilo benefits NWMSU and really only them. They have trouble scheduling OOC games without having to pay money or schedule up. Which is why they vote to keep it.
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Originally posted by GorillaTeacher View PostSilo benefits NWMSU and really only them. They have trouble scheduling OOC games without having to pay money or schedule up. Which is why they vote to keep it.
Here's the bad part about silo scheduling: some one is going to get SCREWED. How about as an AD sitting in the MIAA meetings during the drawing and the two teams you don't play are NSU (sorry, NEasterner) and LU...especially if you are a team like MSSU or UCO who is building something and MAY have a chance at the playoffs...or worse...you're one of those teams and you don't play PSU or NW? So you have to call GVSU and Ferris to do either a home and home or pay them to come to your place? In that case, you should've just played PSU and NW cause it wouldn't cost you anything and you could beat them anyway (see UCO this year)...
People don't like hearing this, but i think NW figured it out years ago that the playoffs start in August.
In the last 5 seasons, we have seen 6 different teams make the playoffs: NW (all), ESU (2016), UCM (2016 & 2019) , FHSU (2017 - #1 seed, 2018), WU (2021), and UNK (2021). That's HALF of the league in 5 years. PSU is in this year for number 7, and ESU/NW are probably in as repeats.
I don't think having OOC games gets us more than three like it did last year or in 2016. Especially as long as we are in a 4-league region...
THat's what this thread should be about - what's it gonna take for us the NCAA to get us out of this region-model?
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That is a valid point about the region being to loaded. The GAC elite have become legit programs and with the gliac and miaa this region three strong conf. It has been long established knowledge that the silo was put in place because NW was struggling to schedule ooc games . And I can see that when nsic went silo. But I don't think that would be case today . Glvc gliac and gmac all need games. PP. You are correct they all have fielded po caliber teams. But many started those runs before silo put in place. Washburn,ucm. And emporia started a decadeca go. Ft hays and unk have rose to prominence during silo but at a time when Pitt was not as dominant. But they do deserve the credit It is hard to build support when you get no opportunity to give people victories to show your growth. The Gsc did not have a balanced schedule and rotated schools . Twice that allowed ask tech to avoid playing the trio of delta. Valdosta and una. Both times they went into PO as one loss teams. It isn't perfect but it works. I'm just suggesting one ooc game I've said my peace. As I have for nearly ten years
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Originally posted by the Northeasterner View PostSlightly different note. Rumor is upper Iowa is considering move to glvc from nsic
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