Portal Movement in the NSIC

[MrMustang]

I am familiar with ND and SD. I'm also familiar with D2. I do know that northern teams that try to build a winning roster with players from warm weather locations fail around 100% of the time. It's not a way to win.

Augustana's Roster:
31 - South Dakota
17 - Minnesota
13 - Wisconsin
12- Nebraska
12- Iowa
6 - Arizona
5 - Illinois
5 - Texas
4 - Colorado
3 - California
3 - Nevada
2 - Washington
1- Maryland
1- Indiana
1- Missouri

The core of Augustana is local.

Bemidji State's Roster:

51 - Minnesota
21 - Wisconsin
13 - Illinois
10 - Iowa
2 - North Dakota
2 - Arizona
2 - Washington
1 - Nebraska

The core of Bemidji is local.

Minnesota State's Roster:

32 - Minnesota
15 - Iowa
15 - Illinois
15 - Wisconsin
4 - California
4 - South Dakota
4 - Nebraska
2 - Georgia
2 - Texas
1 - Indiana
1 - Missouri
1 - Oklahoma
1 - Florida
1 - Idaho
1 - Mississippi
1 - Kentucky

The core of MSU's roster is local.

These are the three best teams in the NSIC.

I think you have it absolutely inverted. The marquee players may come from outside the region, but the core of the team has to come from the region.

The flight considerations may help land a good quarterback from California, but it doesn't help form core of a winning program.

I will take a look at the last sentence in your post in a different reply.

I agree with you. Most of SMSU's best players have been small town kids and local kids. We have had some good gets from farther away but most have been MN, Iowa, SD, WI, etc. We have also had some success with some selective recruiting of LV, Cali, Texas, etc. but it is mmuch more hit and miss on those kids. Some love it, some hate it.

[SW_Mustang]

I agree with you. Most of SMSU's best players have been small town kids and local kids. We have had some good gets from farther away but most have been MN, Iowa, SD, WI, etc. We have also had some success with some selective recruiting of LV, Cali, Texas, etc. but it is mmuch more hit and miss on those kids. Some love it, some hate it.

Used to have quite the pipeline from Marshalltown, IA. Not sure who lately, but there was definitely a run of guys we got from down there.

I think the big problem we face is aside from Marshall, the schools in our immediate area are just too small. Would be a dream to recruit to that level of locality.

[Brandon]

I think the big problem we face is aside from Marshall, the schools in our immediate area are just too small. Would be a dream to recruit to that level of locality.

I don't think that exists for any school.

[SW_Mustang]

I don't think that exists for any school.

I don't pay much attention to anything under Class AAAA in MN. Are colleges really recruiting kids from non-MHS high schools in the area?

I mean, I'm sure there are some - especially from Pipestone, but I never hear of any. SMSU lands a guy from my HS about once every 3 years and he usually leaves the roster after a season on scout team.

Genuine question to any SWMNers on the board.

[oldyellaHer69]

His wife was a finalist for the SMSU President job when we hired last time.

Maybe she would have at least kept Hawaiian Night as she would have been too busy making movies to listen to the 4 busybodies on campus who complained.

She would have kept Hawaii night freaky!

[NSU4LIFE]

Lol you really are something, aren't you?

Thank you, nice to be appreciated

[Brandon]

I don't pay much attention to anything under Class AAAA in MN. Are colleges really recruiting kids from non-MHS high schools in the area?

I mean, I'm sure there are some - especially from Pipestone, but I never hear of any. SMSU lands a guy from my HS about once every 3 years and he usually leaves the roster after a season on scout team.

Genuine question to any SWMNers on the board.

I don't know the Minnesota classification system. I was referring to the geography.

Great players come from small schools, too.

[debergfan]

Private schools have flat tuition rates.

Otherwise, it varies per school.

I guess I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

Point, I'm making the schools with the flexible tuition rates, the teams have been most successful. Schools with flat tuition rates Mary, Minot have not been. If you want to win at D2, you need different tuition rates. West Florida allegedly had a whole team of full scholarships.

Harding - https://www.harding.edu/administrative/finaid/coa
Harding does not have flat tuition rates.

Nova SE - look at their cost rates https://undergrad.nova.edu/funding/tuition-fees.html

[Brandon]

Point, I'm making the schools with the flexible tuition rates, the teams have been most successful. Schools with flat tuition rates Mary, Minot have not been. If you want to win at D2, you need different tuition rates. West Florida allegedly had a whole team of full scholarships.

Harding - https://www.harding.edu/administrative/finaid/coa
Harding does not have flat tuition rates.

Nova SE - look at their cost rates https://undergrad.nova.edu/funding/tuition-fees.html

Mary and Minot charge the same for out of state/in state kids?

Or are you suggesting that schools base the tuition rates on the major as it seems that Harding is doing?

[Brandon]

West Florida allegedly had a whole team of full scholarships.

Where did you hear that? PM me if it needs to be private.

[NSU4LIFE]

I don't know the Minnesota classification system. I was referring to the geography.

Great players come from small schools, too.

Unless you live in metropolis cities on the east or west cost of the US, you are in nomads land and worthless, so better find folks that don't know any of us exist or you will never be successful

[SW_Mustang]

I don't know the Minnesota classification system. I was referring to the geography.

Great players come from small schools, too.

Right - we had that discussion in the thread already. There are definitely diamonds in the rough out there, but with limited time/resources, the consistency is going to come from the bigger schools with better resources and competition.

That's what makes guys like Trey Lance and Koi Perich so interesting is that they came from the bottom half of the HS football ladder where a lot of talent isn't to be found.

[debergfan]

Where did you hear that? PM me if it needs to be private.

Nothing to hide and WF is following the rules. Simple math. I'm guessing based on their tuition rates. https://uwf.edu/admissions/undergrad...ial-aid/costs/

36 scholarships limit

FL - 6360+5888=12248
Non-FL - 19260+5888=25148

If they offered housing plus tuition that .48 per Florida kid, 75 full ride kids. Doesn't include grad students

Ferris St https://www.ferris.edu/administratio...tion-rates.htm
Undergraduate Tuition - Freshman/Sophomore
U.S. RESIDENTS AND CANADIANS
$13,524 per year
($483 per credit hour)

INTERNATIONAL
$22,400 per yearI
($800 per credit hour)

Undergraduate Tuition - Junior/Senior
U.S. RESIDENTS AND CANADIANS
$14,728 per year
($526 per credit hour)

INTERNATIONAL
$23,800 per year
($850 per credit hour)

Ferris has 43 Jrs/SRs, 110 underclassmen

If US/Can kid costs .60 and 36 scholarship limit, you can get 60 full tuition scholarships out of their football team. A lot of assumptions, 94 don't have any money, housing, academic aid, etc.

[WBChargerDad]

I am familiar with ND and SD. I'm also familiar with D2. I do know that northern teams that try to build a winning roster with players from warm weather locations fail around 100% of the time. It's not a way to win.

Augustana's Roster:
31 - South Dakota
17 - Minnesota
13 - Wisconsin
12- Nebraska
12- Iowa
6 - Arizona
5 - Illinois
5 - Texas
4 - Colorado
3 - California
3 - Nevada
2 - Washington
1- Maryland
1- Indiana
1- Missouri

The core of Augustana is local.

Bemidji State's Roster:

51 - Minnesota
21 - Wisconsin
13 - Illinois
10 - Iowa
2 - North Dakota
2 - Arizona
2 - Washington
1 - Nebraska

The core of Bemidji is local.

Minnesota State's Roster:

32 - Minnesota
15 - Iowa
15 - Illinois
15 - Wisconsin
4 - California
4 - South Dakota
4 - Nebraska
2 - Georgia
2 - Texas
1 - Indiana
1 - Missouri
1 - Oklahoma
1 - Florida
1 - Idaho
1 - Mississippi
1 - Kentucky

The core of MSU's roster is local.

These are the three best teams in the NSIC.

I think you have it absolutely inverted. The marquee players may come from outside the region, but the core of the team has to come from the region.

The flight considerations may help land a good quarterback from California, but it doesn't help form core of a winning program.

I will take a look at the last sentence in your post in a different reply.

Extending your roster counts to teams that have been at or near the top of the NSIC recently, and to further emphasis that the successful teams in the NSIC by and large get the core of their roster regionally. You look at Northern State and SMSU, they are similar, though Northern a little more spread out, CSP mostly MN/WI. Mary and Minot are really the glaring exceptions in the conference of teams that don't get their talent regionaly, and they are in spots where recruiting regionally is challenging. There isn't as much talent regionally, and their response has been to go south. Mary has 17 ND players, 13 MN players, 3 SD players and 1 WI player on their roster. Minot has 5 ND players, 8 MN players, 3 SD players, and no WI players. I think they need to go east rather than south, but there is a lot of competition from MN schools as you go east so that isn't so easy either.

Minnesota-Duluth

44 - Minnesota
33 - Wisconsin
10 - Nevada
5 - Illinois
3 - California
1 - Alaska
1 - Indiana
1 - Florida
1 - Michigan

Moorhead

59 - Minnesota
26 - North Dakota
12 - Wisconsin
4 - South Dakota
2 - Iowa
2 - Nebraska
1 - Florida
1 - Nevada
1 - Illinois

Winona

45 - Minnesota
43 - Wisconsin
15 - Illinois
8 - Iowa
3 - Texas
1 - Georgia

Wayne State

66 - Nebraska
11 - Iowa
8 - California
7 - South Dakota
6 - Lousiana
5 - Florida
2 - Illinois
2 - Nevada
2 - Texas

Sioux Falls

14 - Wisconsin
13 - Iowa
10 - South Dakota
6 - Nebraska
6 - Arizona
6 - Illinois
3 - California
2 - Colorado
1 - Alabama
1 - Wyoming

[Purple Mav Man]

All of these info-heavy posts continue to drive home the fact that ND doesn’t have enough D2 level football talent to field 3 teams with local guys. Meaning they have to go outside the region in order to fill their rosters. Which, as history has shown, leads to transient rosters and very little success. It’s also a money/resource burn.

There are many factors why the vast majority of rosters are area players. One of the main ones being cost. It’s great that Minot has an airport. Do they have a bottomless budget to fly coaches and recruits all over the country? If so, they’ve been severely mismanaging their cash thus far.

The Midwest as a whole has a ton of high quality FCS and D2 level football talent. But it also has a lot of competition for that talent. And in a state like North Dakota, with two successful FCS programs, they are going to suck the local talent in like a vacuum. Including many of those diamonds in the rough. Almost all would rather walk on at the big D1 school than the unknown D2 school.

Building and sustaining a program is difficult. And it’s even more difficult at some schools/locations, where access to quality talent is minimal.