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  • Originally posted by EastStroud13 View Post
    The bottom of the East seems to keep getting worse. Consider:
    • Mansfield lost to a D3 school (and not a particularly good one). Might struggle to reach 5 wins.
    • Bloomsburg lost to a WV Wesleyan program that has 6 total wins in the past 4 seasons.
    • Ship lost to a Frostburg State program that went 3-26 last year.
    • Kutztown at least was competitive against a solid Jefferson team, but lost to two CIAA teams that ESU beat handily
    With early returns from LHU, Shep, and WCU being a mixed bag, it's another year where ESU (and Millersville) might not be able to afford too many losses in order to make the playoffs. Dominican at least should be a stronger non-con opponent than anyone we saw last season, but the bottom of the division being this bad consistently should be a cause for alarm.
    Here's a hint, if you're worried about how weak the East is then quit playing a cream puff non conference schedule!!!

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    • Originally posted by IUPalum View Post

      Here's a hint, if you're worried about how weak the East is then quit playing a cream puff non conference schedule!!!
      I agree with this, unfortunately I do not control our non-con schedule. Lately we've stuck to CIAA, ECC, and CACC teams, which aren't exactly big players on the national stage. We play it so safe and it's frustrating.

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      • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

        Well, I can tell you that the last thing we're worried about at Ship is whether we enhance East Stroudsburg's strength of schedule or anyone else's for that matter. And I'm not going to dump on other schools because they finish below us in a given sport. As BigIndian pointed out above, you have Gannon, Cal and Slippery Rock to play before you get to the East Division. I'd worry about them before becoming too concerned about how our division is going to sabotage you.

        This post was hilarious :)


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        • The Poconos get an undeserved bad name here. LOL.

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          • Originally posted by jrshooter View Post
            The Poconos get an undeserved bad name here. LOL.
            I don't think anyone here covers themselves in glory. 😂

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            • Originally posted by EastStroud13 View Post

              I don't think anyone here covers themselves in glory. 😂
              I think it's just a matter of don't run down the other person's school unless you want a response. As far as East Stroudsburg is concerned, I respect Jeff Wilson and his ability to recruit to his system, and his demeanor on the court is generally professional, which I can't say about all the coaches in the PSAC.

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              • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

                I think it's just a matter of don't run down the other person's school unless you want a response. As far as East Stroudsburg is concerned, I respect Jeff Wilson and his ability to recruit to his system, and his demeanor on the court is generally professional, which I can't say about all the coaches in the PSAC.
                I just don't know why you took the post so personally. I have nothing against Shippensburg as a school entity, their field hockey program is awesome and I wish our running programs were at their level.

                I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out that the East is really down in men's basketball right now, and that it should be concerning. It'd be one thing if Ship was the only one going through some tough times, but it's more than half of the division. Bloomsburg and Mansfield at least picked up some D2 wins over the weekend, and Kutztown played Jefferson tough. But some of the losses remain very bad. Hopefully they are off nights and the East teams can pick up some more non-con wins.

                Speaking of non-con, ESU missed a huge opportunity to sweep Dominican's tournament by coming up short against Caldwell. Put ourselves in too much of a hole and we almost climbed out. 17 turnovers to 12 assists is not the ratio you want. The showdown at Gannon this Saturday looms even larger now, there are no must-win games yet but a loss there will only put more pressure later on.

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                • Originally posted by EastStroud13 View Post

                  I just don't know why you took the post so personally. I have nothing against Shippensburg as a school entity, their field hockey program is awesome and I wish our running programs were at their level.

                  I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out that the East is really down in men's basketball right now, and that it should be concerning. It'd be one thing if Ship was the only one going through some tough times, but it's more than half of the division. Bloomsburg and Mansfield at least picked up some D2 wins over the weekend, and Kutztown played Jefferson tough. But some of the losses remain very bad. Hopefully they are off nights and the East teams can pick up some more non-con wins.

                  Speaking of non-con, ESU missed a huge opportunity to sweep Dominican's tournament by coming up short against Caldwell. Put ourselves in too much of a hole and we almost climbed out. 17 turnovers to 12 assists is not the ratio you want. The showdown at Gannon this Saturday looms even larger now, there are no must-win games yet but a loss there will only put more pressure later on.
                  Ship got caught with an unbalanced roster and had one bas season after winning an average of 23 games for seven seasons in a row. If we're in the same spot 2-3 years from now, it becomes a worry. They are rebuilding this year and are the only team in the East without a senior or grad student on the roster. It probably isn't going to be a great year this season, either, but we have a talented sophomore in Markus Frank and some young players with long-term potential. I have full confidence in the ability of coach Fite to rebuild the team, but it's not going to be done in one year. I think Kutztown will be better as time goes on. Driscoll had a ton of freshmen last season and also lost a couple of good players to injury.

                  As for Mansfield, any coach up there is in a very tough situation, and it is hard to see that improving. We'll see what happens with Bloomsburg.

                  We're three games into the season, and you've already decided the division is pulling ESU down. Maybe that will be the case, but I think it's a little early for that determination. Perhaps the division kept you out of the playoffs last year, but on the other hand with a more typically balanced division you might have lost 3-4 more games and missed the playoff anyway.

                  And this year, as has been pointed out, you have the chance for at least three quality wins in the non-conference slate. If you don't win at least one of the Gannon, Slippery Rock, or Cal games, you argument for a playoff spot at the end of the season will certainly be weakened.

                  I've seen other posters on these sites argue that they DON'T want a balanced division, especially in football, because then they'd get another one or two disqualifying losses. It's a matter of conjecture.

                  I don't take any post here personally unless it's directly insulting. Your posts are fine. I just contend that your team controls its own destiny, and that to worry this early in the season about whether a weak division is going to put you out of the playoffs is jumping the gun a bit. Beat your non-division foes, handle Millersville, Lock Haven, West Chester, and Shepherd in addition to the other Eastern foes, and I have little doubt you'll be in good shape.

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                  • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

                    Ship got caught with an unbalanced roster and had one bas season after winning an average of 23 games for seven seasons in a row. If we're in the same spot 2-3 years from now, it becomes a worry. They are rebuilding this year and are the only team in the East without a senior or grad student on the roster. It probably isn't going to be a great year this season, either, but we have a talented sophomore in Markus Frank and some young players with long-term potential. I have full confidence in the ability of coach Fite to rebuild the team, but it's not going to be done in one year. I think Kutztown will be better as time goes on. Driscoll had a ton of freshmen last season and also lost a couple of good players to injury.

                    As for Mansfield, any coach up there is in a very tough situation, and it is hard to see that improving. We'll see what happens with Bloomsburg.

                    We're three games into the season, and you've already decided the division is pulling ESU down. Maybe that will be the case, but I think it's a little early for that determination. Perhaps the division kept you out of the playoffs last year, but on the other hand with a more typically balanced division you might have lost 3-4 more games and missed the playoff anyway.

                    And this year, as has been pointed out, you have the chance for at least three quality wins in the non-conference slate. If you don't win at least one of the Gannon, Slippery Rock, or Cal games, you argument for a playoff spot at the end of the season will certainly be weakened.

                    I've seen other posters on these sites argue that they DON'T want a balanced division, especially in football, because then they'd get another one or two disqualifying losses. It's a matter of conjecture.

                    I don't take any post here personally unless it's directly insulting. Your posts are fine. I just contend that your team controls its own destiny, and that to worry this early in the season about whether a weak division is going to put you out of the playoffs is jumping the gun a bit. Beat your non-division foes, handle Millersville, Lock Haven, West Chester, and Shepherd in addition to the other Eastern foes, and I have little doubt you'll be in good shape.
                    SRU's star (Maceo Austin) has been out. Not sure what the deal is there. They aren't anywhere near the same without him. We'll see.

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                    • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post
                      I've seen other posters on these sites argue that they DON'T want a balanced division, especially in football, because then they'd get another one or two disqualifying losses. It's a matter of conjecture.
                      I see this as well, but I always think this is a weak mindset. You set yourself up for playoff success by testing yourself during the season. There's a reason Gonzaga has scheduled tough during their non-conference schedule beyond just wanting better metrics: they need to measure up early because their tests in-conference are much less stern.

                      I'm not looking for the PSAC East to be the toughest division in D2 or anything. Just be a solid division with 1 struggling team at most, maybe 2. I think that benefits everyone in the conference.

                      In the meantime, if ESU wants more than just to do well within the PSAC, we need to pull a Gonzaga and start taking on a greater array of non-conference opponents. What we have right now isn't preparing us sufficiently.

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                      • To reiterate: Markus Frank is pretty damn good.

                        He had 32 tonight ... but Ship loses 71-69 at home to Chestnut Hill. Raiders led by 14 with 11:46 left.
                        Last edited by jrshooter; 11-18-2024, 07:38 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by EastStroud13 View Post

                          I see this as well, but I always think this is a weak mindset. You set yourself up for playoff success by testing yourself during the season. There's a reason Gonzaga has scheduled tough during their non-conference schedule beyond just wanting better metrics: they need to measure up early because their tests in-conference are much less stern.

                          I'm not looking for the PSAC East to be the toughest division in D2 or anything. Just be a solid division with 1 struggling team at most, maybe 2. I think that benefits everyone in the conference.

                          In the meantime, if ESU wants more than just to do well within the PSAC, we need to pull a Gonzaga and start taking on a greater array of non-conference opponents. What we have right now isn't preparing us sufficiently.
                          Well, after watching the game tonight, I might give you that we're not helping you this year. I've seen games we've lost by 20 that haven't been as disappointing. No way we should be losing to that team. And now we take the Western trip this weekend.

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                          • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

                            Well, after watching the game tonight, I might give you that we're not helping you this year. I've seen games we've lost by 20 that haven't been as disappointing. No way we should be losing to that team. And now we take the Western trip this weekend.
                            Friday should be interesting. Joe only has 7 guys to play (literally). Three of them are true freshmen. He's adding a football player this week. His fourth freshman isn't yet eligible as he's from overseas and has some academic clearance issues they are trying to resolve. We're all hoping that is resolved by Friday. That would give him 9 guys.

                            IUP will look like IUP for 4-5 minute stretches and then look like a disorganized AAU team for the next 4-5 minutes. Up and down. Up and down.

                            I suspect it will be a good game.

                            I'm looking forward to seeing Frank in person. Recall Joe recruited him heavily. Obviously he chose Fite instead.

                            I remember Frank put up 33 on IUP last year but the rest of the Ship team did very little.


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                            • Originally posted by jrshooter View Post
                              To reiterate: Markus Frank is pretty damn good.

                              He had 32 tonight ... but Ship loses 71-69 at home to Chestnut Hill. Raiders led by 14 with 11:46 left.
                              He's very good, but they're still soft on defense and I don't think completely used to playing together, resulting in stretches of really sloppy play. I think coach Fite is still experimenting and trying to get kids in, and I thought some of the lineup switches really hurt them tonight. And I don't know how they were switching out on defense, but they ended up with 6-foot Timmy Conner on Chestnut Hill's 6-8, 245-pound center close to the bucket on several occasions. That just ain't going to work. On an encouraging note, it looks like Jaydon Smith is starting to get the hang of things.

                              What is bad news is that Michael Dickson, the transfer who was going to play a lot of point guard this season, missed his second game in a row and looked to be limping some on the sideline. I thought about asking coach about it, but figured I'd leave him alone after this one.

                              I haven't seen Ship lose many games the past few years when they had the better talent, but I think tonight was one of those. That They had multiple chances to put the game away, and did not cash in. With a trip to IUP and what looks to be an improved Seton Hill this weekend, and the Gannon points machine coming to Ship not long after that, this has the potential to be an ugly start to another long season.

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                              • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                                Friday should be interesting. Joe only has 7 guys to play (literally). Three of them are true freshmen. He's adding a football player this week. His fourth freshman isn't yet eligible as he's from overseas and has some academic clearance issues they are trying to resolve. We're all hoping that is resolved by Friday. That would give him 9 guys.

                                IUP will look like IUP for 4-5 minute stretches and then look like a disorganized AAU team for the next 4-5 minutes. Up and down. Up and down.

                                I suspect it will be a good game.

                                I'm looking forward to seeing Frank in person. Recall Joe recruited him heavily. Obviously he chose Fite instead.

                                I remember Frank put up 33 on IUP last year but the rest of the Ship team did very little.

                                I know you don't have a vintage team at IUP this season, but I'm pretty sure you're a good deal better than Chestnut Hill. If Ship doesn't play a lot better, the weekend will be ugly. We had a stretch in the first half when Denzel Figueroa came, and with freshman Jaydon Smith also on the floor (and the IUP transfer Romero-Sanz at times) they played some excellent defense and bolted out to about a 14-point lead, seemingly in control of the game. But coach Fite then put in a couple of subs and a smaller lineup in for the last minute of the half that gave back five points, and I thought they lost some momentum there. They've been missing Michael Dickson the last two games, and I think that's a big loss if he doesn't get back soon. He was going to be their regular point guard and is one of the more savvy and experienced players on a young team. With him out, Timmy Conner often plays point, and he's much more suited to shooting guard.

                                I hope its a good game Friday, but this was a depressing evening for Ship fans, especially after last season.

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