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[Fightingscot82]

The idea that the protest was violent or “an insurrection” is a spurious claim that has been amplified by the liberal media despite having minimal truth to it in a desperate attempt to carry the limping Biden and Harris campaigns over the finish line. See, I can play this game too. The only person who died was an unarmed woman shot by a Capitol police officer behind a barricade. Some “insurrection.”

Much like most other things with the Trump presidencies, the parallels to past US history are too common. Look up the Bonus Army of 1932 and how the US government responded. The whole day is regrettable from all angles, but the crowd totally had a FAFO moment. When Congress is in active session, the building is closed to the public. When police give folks a directive in an active incident, we're to adhere without question (or does that only apply to Black people pulled over?). The one lady shot clearly got what was coming to her. Police officer in active incident with gun drawn gave her an ultimatum directive and she did not comply. If there was evidence that protesters assaulted police, vandalized the building, and entered restricted areas like the Speaker's office should be prosecuted as usual. If they merely followed the crowd beyond the barricades or into the building, I'm okay with a pardon.

[IUPNation]

The idea that the protest was violent or “an insurrection” is a spurious claim that has been amplified by the liberal media despite having minimal truth to it in a desperate attempt to carry the limping Biden and Harris campaigns over the finish line. See, I can play this game too. The only person who died was an unarmed woman shot by a Capitol police officer behind a barricade. Some “insurrection.”

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[TheBigCat2192]

This is a completely spurious claim that has been amplified by conservative media despite having minimal truth in it. The protestors outside the Capital were certainly not non-violent, there is ample video and photographic evidence if you care about that sort of thing.

Now can we get back to college sports for the love of god.

The idea that the protest was violent or “an insurrection” is a spurious claim that has been amplified by the liberal media despite having minimal truth to it in a desperate attempt to carry the limping Biden and Harris campaigns over the finish line. See, I can play this game too. The only person who died was an unarmed woman shot by a Capitol police officer behind a barricade. Some “insurrection.”

[EastStroud13]

After spending my whole life listening to Democrat politicians
and their supporters lie about what is and isn’t protected by the First Amendment I’m not really interested in your opinion on the matter. The Biden regime locked up thousands of Americans for peacefully protesting outside the Capitol and abortion clinics. You don’t care about freedom of speech, you just care that the power of government is actually swinging against you for once.

This is a completely spurious claim that has been amplified by conservative media despite having minimal truth in it. The protestors outside the Capital were certainly not non-violent, there is ample video and photographic evidence if you care about that sort of thing.

Now can we get back to college sports for the love of god.

[IUPNation]

After spending my whole life listening to Democrat politicians
and their supporters lie about what is and isn’t protected by the First Amendment I’m not really interested in your opinion on the matter. The Biden regime locked up thousands of Americans for peacefully protesting outside the Capitol and abortion clinics. You don’t care about freedom of speech, you just care that the power of government is actually swinging against you for once.

That was an insurrection.

[iupgroundhog]

After spending my whole life listening to Democrat politicians
and their supporters lie about what is and isn’t protected by the First Amendment I’m not really interested in your opinion on the matter. The Biden regime locked up thousands of Americans for peacefully protesting outside the Capitol and abortion clinics. You don’t care about freedom of speech, you just care that the power of government is actually swinging against you for once.

That's totally loony.

[TheBigCat2192]

He is protected by the Constitution.

After spending my whole life listening to Democrat politicians
and their supporters lie about what is and isn’t protected by the First Amendment I’m not really interested in your opinion on the matter. The Biden regime locked up thousands of Americans for peacefully protesting outside the Capitol and abortion clinics. You don’t care about freedom of speech, you just care that the power of government is actually swinging against you for once.

[Fightingscot82]

This guy is a guest on a student visa, not a citizen, so he doesn’t enjoy the full protection of the First Amendment. How does it make America better to bring someone here and then let him loose to fight an ancient blood feud from his homeland on our campuses and disrupt the lives of real students?

He was no longer a student and had a green card - he was permitted to stay permanently and be eligible to apply for citizenship. His rights fall into a gray area that will have to be fought in courts. From one perspective, his green card could be revoked for severe criminal conduct, but right now no crimes specific to him have been shared. However, many, many, many SCOTUS rulings have said non-citizens are afforded the same civil and due process rights as citizens. He must have a hearing before he can be expelled. I see both sides to the arguments and it really comes down to whether judges will want to defy populist MAGA sentiment. The Constitution isn't just rules for citizens - its the rulebook for how government has to function, whether any of us likes it or not.

[iupgroundhog]

This guy is a guest on a student visa, not a citizen, so he doesn’t enjoy the full protection of the First Amendment. How does it make America better to bring someone here and then let him loose to fight an ancient blood feud from his homeland on our campuses and disrupt the lives of real students?

He is protected by the Constitution.

[TheBigCat2192]

For as much as I like to discuss politics, I think at this point we should refrain from doing so. This one really rubs me the wrong way. What you are alluding to is un-American, an act of an authoritarian regime, and suppression of free speech as laid out in the 1st Amendment.

This guy is a guest on a student visa, not a citizen, so he doesn’t enjoy the full protection of the First Amendment. How does it make America better to bring someone here and then let him loose to fight an ancient blood feud from his homeland on our campuses and disrupt the lives of real students?

[iupgroundhog]

They could get their funding back by not importing third-world rabble-rousers whose values don’t align with America’s to fill their student slots. It’s really that simple.

For as much as I like to discuss politics, I think at this point we should refrain from doing so. This one really rubs me the wrong way. What you are alluding to is un-American, an act of an authoritarian regime, and suppression of free speech as laid out in the 1st Amendment.

[Fightingscot82]

They could get their funding back by not importing third-world rabble-rousers whose values don’t align with America’s to fill their student slots. It’s really that simple.

What if I told you everyday Americans have the same feelings. Still punish them? Everyday is starting to feel like a bad sequel to what we didn't learn about the Cold War, except this time we have a POTUS giving the Russian leader a rimjob

[TheBigCat2192]

The feds have a lot bigger endowment than any university. And by supporting research they can direct its objectives in a cohesive manner (at least as long as they actually have an HHS department).

They could get their funding back by not importing third-world rabble-rousers whose values don’t align with America’s to fill their student slots. It’s really that simple.

[Ship69]

Columbia has a monster endowment. They can fund several lifetimes worth of research without government dollars from that if it’s so important.

The feds have a lot bigger endowment than any university. And by supporting research they can direct its objectives in a cohesive manner (at least as long as they actually have an HHS department).

[Ship69]

That's not how endowments work. If I donate $50M to Bloomsburg to create scholarships for students from Central Columbia High School, they invest my $50M into their portfolio of conservatively invested funds. It is extremely rare for large donations toward any endowment to be unrestricted, meaning the university can spend as they see fit. Anything outside of the gift agreement (usually a 5-7 page contract), usually must be approved by the donor. They pull 4% from the invested funds (usually covered by interest) and that's what is given out, so $40k for ever $1M invested.

For example, in 2023 Columbia received a $175M donation from an alumni couple. According to the news release, "the university will direct $125 million to an endowment funding PhD students and researchers at the start of their careers to enable greater freedom in their research." Maybe they could sell the change to the donors to cover the grant losses, but unlikely.

A lot of donations work that way. My church is not in great financial shape, but we have a couple of thousand dollars sitting in a flower fund that can only be used for flowers for the altar. A lot of the time, we simply use flowers people bring in from their gardens, so the money just sits there.