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[IUP24]

The frustrating thing is that these boosters may have millions and millions of dollars to light on fire to force a coaching change, but Oklahoma State isn't going to hire the top free agent coach. Its Oklahoma State in Stillwater, Oklahoma. He was an OKState alum. He was proven to be successful. You can't be on top every freaking year. They'd rather win it all amidst chaos for everyone but themselves than allow the school to build a program and keep a coach long term to have continuity. But sure, spend $15 million to get a coach who guarantees nothing.

They aren't going to hire the top free agent coach because they don't have the money to do so (after they lit 20 million on fire to make him go away). I know you know this, but there's this common belief that these schools and football programs are just printing money. They aren't. Consider that it's being reported that everybody's darling in the ACC (Virginia Tech) has to pump an additional estimated 50-70 million into their athletic department just to be spending in the TOP HALF of the ACC in athletics spending. THE TOP HALF!!! Everybody believes VT is this football sleeping giant because Frank Beamer had a couple nice seasons and because they play Enter Sandman before football games. They are a school in the middle of coal mining towns that has no money!!!

People can talk about NIL, revenue sharing, the transfer portal, etc. The root cause of this all was the creation of the College Football Playoff, and then the subsequent expansion of the CFP (and it isn't stopping at 12 teams). We created a world where nothing else matters other than reaching the CFP due to the financial payout that existed by just getting into the field. And that payout is precisely why the SEC and B1G are attempting to manipulate the tournament into an invite club based on helmets and logos. That's the real issue.

OK State is like 90% of college football: Actually relevant once a decade... But the environment now is structured so that one trip to the CFP can provide so much money that it funds your entire athletic department, gives you your pot of revenue sharing money, etc. All of these schools are willing to pay so much money to make a coach go away because they see a couple isolated programs hit it big for 1-2 years because they managed to get lucky through the transfer portal on a year where they had a favorable schedule. They all believe that by getting rid of their current guy, the next guy will flush 50 bodies out and bring in 50 new ones via the portal, and he could be their Curt Cignetti (or whoever) to take them to the CFP out of nowhere. And when another 3 years goes by, they'll be ready to head to the next warm body to take over.

There are so few programs who can actually be in the picture every year. I think so many people overestimate that number. It's MAYBE 10-12 programs - MAYBE....

[Fightingscot82]

The frustrating thing is that these boosters may have millions and millions of dollars to light on fire to force a coaching change, but Oklahoma State isn't going to hire the top free agent coach. Its Oklahoma State in Stillwater, Oklahoma. He was an OKState alum. He was proven to be successful. You can't be on top every freaking year. They'd rather win it all amidst chaos for everyone but themselves than allow the school to build a program and keep a coach long term to have continuity. But sure, spend $15 million to get a coach who guarantees nothing.

[IUP24]

It caught me off guard yesterday when FS82 said he's now 58 years old.

I can't believe the famous "I"m a man ... I'm 40" rant was that long ago. Time sure does fly.

Gundy had a great run of success when it was a different world. And I'm not saying that related to revenue sharing or not adapting, or any of that stuff. His tenure was very successful and should be looked upon fondly.

Guys like Mike Gundy have flaws from a coaching perspective. Elite coaches at the college level are few and far between. Oklahoma State, in reality, is just a program that was built on the donations of a single oil tycoon who has since passed away - and as such, those donations have gone away. They were really nothing beforehand. OK State isn't an elite job. It's a P4 job (and will get a bunch of candidates because of that), but it's not a "great" job in P4 football all things considered.

My point in saying that is that for the majority of the programs who are in the Power 4 conferences, Gundy is exactly what you want in a head coach. He wanted to be there and never intended on using OK State to springboard to something bigger and better. There's a bunch of those guys you see settling into jobs like that around the P4 ranks. And there's a ton to be said for that...

People hate Pat Narduzzi (and I bet he retires in a year), but he's the same. He's got a ton of flaws, but wants to be Pitt's head coach. Dave Doeren at NC State isn't perfect and has had opportunities to leave, but hasn't. Dave Clawson was that for Wake Forest prior to retiring. We're about to find out how much Shane Beamer loves South Carolina, but that isn't an "elite job" despite being in the SEC. But he has stated that he loves USC and wants to be there. Kyle Whittingham has had multiple opportunities to leave Utah, but likes what he has going and stuck around. Mark Stoops has been at Kentucky forever. Dabo - for his perceived flaws - was years ago considered for jobs at places which outside perspectives view as bigger than Clemson. He loved Clemson.

It's an odd world of college athletics nowadays. It's unique that while player movement is unprecedented, the craziness of the coaching carousel has seemed to really cool off. These guys don't hop around like they once did. I think people realize that game isn't worth playing, and they find a landing spot they like and give it their best effort to win there and build something, rather than using it as a springboard. There's a ton of coaches out there now (perhaps more than ever in my lifetime) that just really like coaching where they are coaching. None of the names I mentioned are perfect, but from a program perspective, there's a ton to be said for that.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

100%, I think he'd be a great listen. Add him to the Gameday set with Saban.

It caught me off guard yesterday when FS82 said he's now 58 years old.

I can't believe the famous "I"m a man ... I'm 40" rant was that long ago. Time sure does fly.

[Ram040506]

I think he'd be fantastic as a network analyst.

He had a heck of a run there. It's tough when they end this way.

100%, I think he'd be a great listen. Add him to the Gameday set with Saban.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Given the buyout on top of his career earnings over 20 years as the HC there I wonder if he decides to call it quits entirely. He’s not old old but he’s pretty close to retirement age and coaching big time football is a very high stress job.

I think he'd be fantastic as a network analyst.

He had a heck of a run there. It's tough when they end this way.

[TheBigCat2192]

"Gundy will be owed $15 million by the university."

Given the buyout on top of his career earnings over 20 years as the HC there I wonder if he decides to call it quits entirely. He’s not old old but he’s pretty close to retirement age and coaching big time football is a very high stress job.

[Fightingscot82]

Nice going away present.

I think that's called a golden parachute.

He can take it. He's a man. He's 58.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

"Gundy will be owed $15 million by the university."

Nice going away present.

I think that's called a golden parachute.

[Fightingscot82]

Mike Gundy is out at OkSU, per ESPN.

"Gundy will be owed $15 million by the university."

[Chuck Norris]

If you need a laugh tonight watch the 'face off' between Jake Paul and Tank Davis.


You got roided-out-of-his-mind Jake at about 6'2" and 230 lbs against a 5'5" guy who may weigh 145 lbs right now.

It looks like the senior high school football star against the toughest kid in 4th grade.

This fight is just an exhibition. Of course, Apollo vs Drago was, too.

Yeah I don’t get this. Every time it looks like Jake Paul is actually moving toward becoming a legit boxer he goes right back to the circus sideshow. I’m sure the payday is nice, but still. He kind of needs to crap or get off the pot if he wants to attain any sort of legitimacy.

[TheBigCat2192]

Mike Gundy is out at OkSU, per ESPN.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

If you need a laugh tonight watch the 'face off' between Jake Paul and Tank Davis.


You got roided-out-of-his-mind Jake at about 6'2" and 230 lbs against a 5'5" guy who may weigh 145 lbs right now.

It looks like the senior high school football star against the toughest kid in 4th grade.

This fight is just an exhibition. Of course, Apollo vs Drago was, too.

[TheBigCat2192]

after playing you guys last year I started to follow Brodie Carroll a bit. He jumped off the page to me, IMO he was the best defensive player in the entire PSAC. I could not believe he was a true freshmen. He was built like a R. SR. Not sure how he even ended up at Shep with that size/speed.

I don't think he was a true freshman last year. Per his bio at the Elon football site he appeared in three games in 2023 and then took a redshirt. Regardless he did play very well at Shep and is off to a strong start at Elon. If he balls the same way at Elon that he did at Shepherd you wonder if he hits the portal again after the season and tries to go to an FBS program or if he sticks it out at FCS.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The party didn't last too long for WVU.

Just saw the score from the trip to Kansas. Good Lord.