OT: D1

[ctrabs74]

Colorado had the biggest TV draw in all of college football last week and was also the 4th best ratings broadcast ever for Fox Sports (college football). Not bad for a noon game.

Actually second biggest draw behind LSU/Florida State, but Colorado certainly drew a lot of attention for their win over TCU.

[EyeoftheHawk]

Eventually those people (whether anybody wants to believe this or not) will stop blindly shelling out millions if they don't see tangible results (I know that because it's only taken two years for it to start happening already). So if that ocean of free money starts drying up (which it will - you can't convince me that Texas A&M's boosters will spend 30 million on teenagers in high school every year), student athletes will have to start relying on businesses to generate appearances, endorsements, and other opportunities to fund their NIL goals, which is what the intent of NIL was always supposed to be.

Pitt has navigated the NIL world extremely well given their positioning in college football. They have strong external support being put to use for NIL opportunities (legally and with transparency). They have support and involvement from the administration up to the point where they are allowed to be involved. They are balancing NIL without ignoring facility upgrades (which now seems an arms race that has ended - for now).

I’ve learned a lot from this conversation. I’ve been mostly pretending NIL doesn’t exist because I hate it in its current form. As a general thought though, I can’t imagine a more risky investment than a college athlete, especially incoming freshmen. While there are some that turn out to be as projected, there are many, many more that are busts. We hear about the occasional bust in the NFL, but the percentage of kids that never pan out in college is significant higher. We just don’t hear about it. Then there’s the injury factor. One wrong move and your NIL investment could be out for the season.

Even if you do put money on a kid or group of kids that reach their potential, winning a title or titles is still never guaranteed. The skill margin among rosters in the Power 5 is razor thin and a bad bounce, injury, or kid getting dumped by his girlfriend could send your investment tumbling into the red.

[EdinboroFB]

Colorado had the biggest TV draw in all of college football last week and was also the 4th best ratings broadcast ever for Fox Sports (college football). Not bad for a noon game.

This week might be bigger. The classic rivalry with Nebraska. Too bad Nebraska didnt hold on vs Minnesota last week. Wouldve been a nice set up with the two new coaches. Its the noon game Ill be watching.

[EdinboroFB]

Vegas not really jumping on the Fighting Prime’s bandwagon yet. Only a 3 point home favorite against Nebraska.

Nebraska opened as 7 pt favorites that was before the TCU game though I think.

Fanduel already has the Colorado at Oregon game listed as Oregon -19.5 and USC -17.5 at Colorado.

[IUP24]

Yes, Pitt was very smart to construct their program the way they did. Not sure if that was Lyke, the previous chancellor, or Bickell. But I do categorize Bickell as a gonzo booster. Dude has money to throw around. He's not a zealot but he'll pay for his ideas to happen. I think this is because Pitt is still one the rare P5 schools that operates like a university. For all my contempt for Pitt presenting itself as public or state then hiding behind their private legal standing when asked for transparency - right now they do academics and athletics right. Of course this can all change if Lyke leaves or the new chancellor allows bad influencers to shadow operate athletics.

Eventually those people (whether anybody wants to believe this or not) will stop blindly shelling out millions if they don't see tangible results (I know that because it's only taken two years for it to start happening already). So if that ocean of free money starts drying up (which it will - you can't convince me that Texas A&M's boosters will spend 30 million on teenagers in high school every year), student athletes will have to start relying on businesses to generate appearances, endorsements, and other opportunities to fund their NIL goals, which is what the intent of NIL was always supposed to be.

Pitt has navigated the NIL world extremely well given their positioning in college football. They have strong external support being put to use for NIL opportunities (legally and with transparency). They have support and involvement from the administration up to the point where they are allowed to be involved. They are balancing NIL without ignoring facility upgrades (which now seems an arms race that has ended - for now).

[Fightingscot82]

I can't speak to Penn State, but I can tell you that Pitt has one of the better "collectives" in the country in terms of how they are operating and what they are doing. And there are plenty of people in the industry who also support that notion. Alliance 412, which is headed up by Chris Bickell, is doing some very unique things that nobody else in the country is really doing. I would encourage you to look into it some. It's not just "buying" players or recruits. They are actually providing opportunities for student athletes, and the guys who should be earning more dollars from their NIL, most certainly are.

Yes, Pitt was very smart to construct their program the way they did. Not sure if that was Lyke, the previous chancellor, or Bickell. But I do categorize Bickell as a gonzo booster. Dude has money to throw around. He's not a zealot but he'll pay for his ideas to happen. I think this is because Pitt is still one the rare P5 schools that operates like a university. For all my contempt for Pitt presenting itself as public or state then hiding behind their private legal standing when asked for transparency - right now they do academics and athletics right. Of course this can all change if Lyke leaves or the new chancellor allows bad influencers to shadow operate athletics.

[IUP24]

I think your description is right - my opinion is that eventually the big donors will feel they don't have a return on their investment and find other ways to throw money at the programs. There's always going to be a new team facility "needed." Maybe this is just for the mega NIL stuff. Guaranteed money is stupid - especially for minimal return on that money. A player being able to make a paid celebrity appearance is exactly what NIL should be about. Several Penn State football players were gifted Tesla Model 3's that are wrapped with some sort of advertising for the donor's business. This is also why Pitt and Penn State struggled to get up and running with NIL programs - they lack the super rich booster zealots in search of Heismans and first round picks. They want winning and championships.

I can't speak to Penn State, but I can tell you that Pitt has one of the better "collectives" in the country in terms of how they are operating and what they are doing. And there are plenty of people in the industry who also support that notion. Alliance 412, which is headed up by Chris Bickell, is doing some very unique things that nobody else in the country is really doing. I would encourage you to look into it some. It's not just "buying" players or recruits. They are actually providing opportunities for student athletes, and the guys who should be earning more dollars from their NIL, most certainly are.

[IUP24]

I think your description is right - my opinion is that eventually the big donors will feel they don't have a return on their investment and find other ways to throw money at the programs. There's always going to be a new team facility "needed." Maybe this is just for the mega NIL stuff. Guaranteed money is stupid - especially for minimal return on that money. A player being able to make a paid celebrity appearance is exactly what NIL should be about. Several Penn State football players were gifted Tesla Model 3's that are wrapped with some sort of advertising for the donor's business. This is also why Pitt and Penn State struggled to get up and running with NIL programs - they lack the super rich booster zealots in search of Heismans and first round picks. They want winning and championships.

Multiple layers to what you are saying here, but you're correct. And anybody who is actually taking a very, very close look at the NIL investments can already see that there are multiple schools with super rich boosters who are already starting to pull back the reigns some. Many of these collectives believed they could exist as non-profit businesses by fundraising money, pumping their own dollars into their "business," and then passing out the cash in NIL deals to be used as a tax write off. Texas A&M's boosters found this out the hard way. A month ago they halted all NIL and fundraising activities from their collective (the name of it escapes me). They received notice that what they were doing was an SEC violation (and I'm not talking about the Southeastern Conference). I get that people are wealthy. I also get that in the south particularly, people want to win badly. But Texas A&M reportedly spent 30 million dollars to land their 2022 recruiting class. I don't care how wealthy people are, that isn't sustainable annually. And if there isn't a serious ROI, that money will stop flowing quickly.

There was a similar situation that happened with Miami's key kingpin booster. He was diverting business funds into NIL opportunities. He pulled back the reigns significantly, citing exactly what you said. He wasn't seeing a return on his investment. It also didn't help that he was further along than the Texas A&M folks. Because he's actually under investigation by the SEC (for things not just related to NIL, but his distribution of funds to NIL which were made to look like a "donation" for tax purposes are part of that investigation).

I support the proposition of NIL. If Bowser Chevrolet in West Mifflin wants give Kenny Pickett a real nice truck to drive for his senior year and pay him to be their spokesperson, I support that. That was always what this was supposed to be. Give student athletes the opportunity to build their brand and make some money via the endorsement route, commercials, appearances, etc. USC buying Jordan Addison off the Pitt roster for 2 million dollars wasn't the intent of this. And yes, I am a Pitt fan; I'm using the Addison example because that is the singular moment where this all went off the rails with NIL.

We're now in a world where we are handing out millions of dollars to 17 year olds who are in high school simply so that they commit to a program. Quinn Ewers supposedly got over a million to commit to Ohio State (and he transferred when he didn't win the job as a true freshman!!!!). That was not what NIL was ever supposed to be. The other angle to this is that many of these boosters are seriously taking advantage of young people who are not well educated on business and do not have any representation, or good representation for that matter. They are being sold a bag of goods that really don't exist, or are never really given out to them. Listen to some of these guys who have left college in the last 2 years. Former Penn State TE Adam Brennaman has a really good podcast (highly recommend for D1 football fans - it's excellent). He has interviewed a number of ex-players from the NIL era. There's others too that are pretty good for the subject as well. I forget who hosted the podcast, but Jordan Addison was a guest on it, and he said that he was ready to leave USC shortly after arriving. He never got half of what he was promised (regarding perks/amenities) and he didn't get close to the amount of cash that was "guaranteed." He's not the only player who has a story like that.

[Chuck Norris]

Colorado had the biggest TV draw in all of college football last week and was also the 4th best ratings broadcast ever for Fox Sports (college football). Not bad for a noon game.

Vegas not really jumping on the Fighting Prime’s bandwagon yet. Only a 3 point home favorite against Nebraska.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Ya, but when was the last time you saw 80k ppl show up for a god damn chemistry experiment. Why, dont you stick the bow tie up your ass.


Colorado home opener saturday....Tickets on the ESPN schedule have tickets "as low as" $335.


JMU is a 6.5 pt favorite at UVA the last time I looked.

Colorado had the biggest TV draw in all of college football last week and was also the 4th best ratings broadcast ever for Fox Sports (college football). Not bad for a noon game.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Ya, but when was the last time you saw 80k ppl show up for a god damn chemistry experiment. Why, dont you stick the bow tie up your ass.


Colorado home opener saturday....Tickets on the ESPN schedule have tickets "as low as" $335.


JMU is a 6.5 pt favorite at UVA the last time I looked.

Coach Sam Winters was way ahead of his time.

Ding. F#ckin'. Dong.

[EdinboroFB]

Ya, but when was the last time you saw 80k ppl show up for a god damn chemistry experiment. Why, dont you stick the bow tie up your ass.


Colorado home opener saturday....Tickets on the ESPN schedule have tickets "as low as" $335.


JMU is a 6.5 pt favorite at UVA the last time I looked.

[Fightingscot82]

It seems to me the NIL deal has the potential to cause team problems. Watched "Swamp Kings" on Netflix this week, and it was clear some of the Florida players were getting tired of all the focus on Tim Tebow by the time he reached his senior year. You gotta wonder how it could have gone if Tebow had been getting several million in NIL money to go along with all the attention while some of the other players got a pittance. The potential to split teammates and destroy morale is there, especially if your team drops a couple of games.

Never thought about that.

[Ship69]

I think your description is right - my opinion is that eventually the big donors will feel they don't have a return on their investment and find other ways to throw money at the programs. There's always going to be a new team facility "needed." Maybe this is just for the mega NIL stuff. Guaranteed money is stupid - especially for minimal return on that money. A player being able to make a paid celebrity appearance is exactly what NIL should be about. Several Penn State football players were gifted Tesla Model 3's that are wrapped with some sort of advertising for the donor's business. This is also why Pitt and Penn State struggled to get up and running with NIL programs - they lack the super rich booster zealots in search of Heismans and first round picks. They want winning and championships.

It seems to me the NIL deal has the potential to cause team problems. Watched "Swamp Kings" on Netflix this week, and it was clear some of the Florida players were getting tired of all the focus on Tim Tebow by the time he reached his senior year. You gotta wonder how it could have gone if Tebow had been getting several million in NIL money to go along with all the attention while some of the other players got a pittance. The potential to split teammates and destroy morale is there, especially if your team drops a couple of games.

[Fightingscot82]

Well, I have two degrees. I've been in the work force for 20-some years. And, I by no means have 'generational wealth'.

I agree with Caleb Williams. The reigning Heisman winner and star QB at USC (Hollywood) is worth WAY more than $500. That offer is missing quite a few zeros. These guys aren't there for the 'betterment of college football players'. They are there to get paid. These stars can now make millions of dollars before they leave campus. Blow out a knee and they'll be lucky to make $50,000 a year.

Think about that for a minute. Williams can probably make $2m-$3m before he leaves college. If Joe Linebacker leaves college and gets a job paying $80,000 a year ... well, he has to work about 20 years before he makes what Williams can before he turns 21 years old.

This conversation has many levels. Your lineman at Rice or San Jose State are one level of this. Your star QBs and WRs - pimped out at every turn by their school - are on a completely elevated level. Imagine what Tim Tebow or Johnny Football would now be worth in college? I'd guess $5m a year. Maybe more. If they aren't fools, that is generational wealth.

There's only so many in those price points, obviously, but, if you're one of the lucky, hell yeah cash in while the iron is hot. Football players are all one fluke play from not being football players.

In the job market (and being a star college player is a job) you're worth what somebody is willing to pay you. Caleb Williams wouldn't even answer the phone for $500.

There's the 99% of college football players ... and then there's the 'one percenters'. Their value is just different.

I think your description is right - my opinion is that eventually the big donors will feel they don't have a return on their investment and find other ways to throw money at the programs. There's always going to be a new team facility "needed." Maybe this is just for the mega NIL stuff. Guaranteed money is stupid - especially for minimal return on that money. A player being able to make a paid celebrity appearance is exactly what NIL should be about. Several Penn State football players were gifted Tesla Model 3's that are wrapped with some sort of advertising for the donor's business. This is also why Pitt and Penn State struggled to get up and running with NIL programs - they lack the super rich booster zealots in search of Heismans and first round picks. They want winning and championships.