OT: D1

[Fightingscot82]

I think Clemson's big issue is that they haven't adapted well to the transfer portal world. Dabo has been pretty staunch in his displeasure about the transient nature of college football. I get it. I hate it too, but he's paid to coach and win. Not make or decide the rules.

It certainly also helps having a 10 year run where you have Tajh Boyd, Deshaun Watson, and Trevor Lawrence all as your starting QBs with elite playmakers on the outside. Those three QBs were all elite, and they were also built to play in the style of offense that Dabo likes to run. DJU wasn't the guy for that system. Cade Klubnik can be good, but he's not Boyd, Watson, or Lawrence. And the best weapon Clemson has had since the 2020 season is the oft-injured Justyn Ross.

I like Dabo. Always have. I commend him for sticking to his guns and being loyal to "his guys." But... You've seen the result. There was a very, very short window where Saban was also vehemently against the portal. His teams looked pedestrian (by his standards) for a short second. Then he realized he had to change his approach to remain at the top of the mountain. All that said, I do believe that some schools in the ACC have gotten stronger and have caught up (somewhat) to Clemson. And when things like that happen, it's good for college football. Balance and parity is important.

Taking a 10,000 ft view... Clemson's now lost 3 of their last 4 games.

I believe he's also resisted the NLI sweepstakes.

[IUP24]

Ohio State fans have been clamoring to fire Ryan Day all off-season after back-to-back losses against Michigan, despite the overall record as head coach.

I live in Columbus.

People in Columbus hate Ryan Day. All because he's lost twice to Michigan. If you think it's a small and vocal minority, it's not. He's a far better human being than Urban Meyer, but all those people care about is beating Michigan. Meyer was in a great situation where his program was clearly better than Michigan during his tenure. It took Harbaugh a long, long time to get that train on the tracks. But it's on the tracks now. Meyer also spent so much effort and energy playing to the crowd and fanbase pertaining to the rivalry. He could do that because outside of probably one season, there wasn't much doubt about who was going to win that game. I like when coaches don't just hand to you canned quotes, but Meyer tried way too hard to be a fan when he would talk about Michigan.

You hear Day try to say thinks in the media and take shots across the bow at Michigan and it frankly just doesn't work for him. He's in a different situation than Meyer was. The two programs now are playing on the same field. Ryan Day would be far better off just being who he is.

[IUP24]

Yeah, I love the behind the scenes stuff like this, Hard Knocks etc. It’s always funny to see the coaches who look fairly easy going on tv dropping constant f-bombs and acting like lunatics at practice.

I did get a laugh out of Urban talking about his dad and sister being in the military and how much he admired the lifestyle. Of course he didn’t love it enough to enlist himself, he just used it to put college kids through hell. I’m sure that’s a major reason he was a total disaster in the NFL. If you’re gonna treat grown men that way you better have at least walked the walk to some extent (i.e. Tom Coughlin) or they’ll laugh you out of the league.

The reason MOST of these college coaches fail in the NFL is because they no longer have the competitive advantage that existed for them in college. Think about what these guys have the ability to do at that level:

- Manipulate class schedules for players to control much of their day/time
- Have staff assigned to monitoring and controlling their social media
- Have staff assigned to "check in" and "visit" players while they are home and away from football to prevent legal issues
- Load up their staff with former head coaches and NFL assistants who simply watch film, consult, and assist with coaching through the week, but never coach on gameday
- Total authority to overhaul roster annually (transfer portal, recuirting, etc.)
- At the elite schools, they have the resources to recruit and mostly guarantee they are always getting the best players.
- Scheduling advantages.. They can schedule neutral site games to avoid playing on the road. They can schedule "buy a win" games to pad their record.
- Total control and authority over a player's life while they are on campus

None of that stuff exists in NFL football. There's built in parity. There's the league manipulating your schedule to make it hard to remain good. There's a salary cap. There's a cap on coaches. There's no recruiting. There's no "additional resources because (insert blue blood school here) has a cult fanbase. Everyone, mostly, is an equal in that league. And the coaches who won because they had control and the resources to be successful, that normally never translates.

Reality is that the players need the coach in college to reach the NFL. Once they are in the NFL, and it's their profession, they no longer need the coach. Urban Meyer couldn't come into Jacksonville and run guys through Guerilla Warfare drills in hopes of getting people to quit. And if he did that, they would find a way to make sure they got rid of him. It's a totally different game in the pros.

[Ship69]

I think Clemson's big issue is that they haven't adapted well to the transfer portal world. Dabo has been pretty staunch in his displeasure about the transient nature of college football. I get it. I hate it too, but he's paid to coach and win. Not make or decide the rules.

It certainly also helps having a 10 year run where you have Tajh Boyd, Deshaun Watson, and Trevor Lawrence all as your starting QBs with elite playmakers on the outside. Those three QBs were all elite, and they were also built to play in the style of offense that Dabo likes to run. DJU wasn't the guy for that system. Cade Klubnik can be good, but he's not Boyd, Watson, or Lawrence. And the best weapon Clemson has had since the 2020 season is the oft-injured Justyn Ross.

I like Dabo. Always have. I commend him for sticking to his guns and being loyal to "his guys." But... You've seen the result. There was a very, very short window where Saban was also vehemently against the portal. His teams looked pedestrian (by his standards) for a short second. Then he realized he had to change his approach to remain at the top of the mountain. All that said, I do believe that some schools in the ACC have gotten stronger and have caught up (somewhat) to Clemson. And when things like that happen, it's good for college football. Balance and parity is important.

Taking a 10,000 ft view... Clemson's now lost 3 of their last 4 games.

Biggest adjustment I ever saw at Alabama was when Bear Bryant decided he'd better recruit some black players after an integrated USC team kicked his butt in a bowl game. I often think of that when I watch modern-day Alabama teams, which are usually about 90 percent or more black players. Bear was king of Alabama at the time and probably the only guy who could have made that change without causing a riot.

[ctrabs74]

Not a calm morning down in Clemson.

Fans want Dabo out after being humiliated by Duke on national television.

Ohio State fans have been clamoring to fire Ryan Day all off-season after back-to-back losses against Michigan, despite the overall record as head coach.

[IUP24]

It's going to get tougher for some of these big boys now that other teams can pay players just as they've been doing in the south for years.

I think Clemson's big issue is that they haven't adapted well to the transfer portal world. Dabo has been pretty staunch in his displeasure about the transient nature of college football. I get it. I hate it too, but he's paid to coach and win. Not make or decide the rules.

It certainly also helps having a 10 year run where you have Tajh Boyd, Deshaun Watson, and Trevor Lawrence all as your starting QBs with elite playmakers on the outside. Those three QBs were all elite, and they were also built to play in the style of offense that Dabo likes to run. DJU wasn't the guy for that system. Cade Klubnik can be good, but he's not Boyd, Watson, or Lawrence. And the best weapon Clemson has had since the 2020 season is the oft-injured Justyn Ross.

I like Dabo. Always have. I commend him for sticking to his guns and being loyal to "his guys." But... You've seen the result. There was a very, very short window where Saban was also vehemently against the portal. His teams looked pedestrian (by his standards) for a short second. Then he realized he had to change his approach to remain at the top of the mountain. All that said, I do believe that some schools in the ACC have gotten stronger and have caught up (somewhat) to Clemson. And when things like that happen, it's good for college football. Balance and parity is important.

Taking a 10,000 ft view... Clemson's now lost 3 of their last 4 games.

[IUP24]

No doubt. That was the one weakness of it. Most of the key 'bad boys' of the era didn't talk (one is obviously no longer with us in Aaron Hernandez). Not having the Pouncey brothers or Percy Harvin interviewed was a downer.

I did think the behind-the-scenes actual football stuff was fantastic. But, yes, that could have certainly been R-rated. I did read that most of the players (and Urban) only agreed to be interviewed if the topic stayed mostly about football.

It was amazing just to visually see how much Urban aged in those five years. I thought Dan Mullen (then OC) stole the show. I always thought he was kind of a boring personality. He turned out to be the complete opposite. It was interesting to see how the players all got sick of the Tebow worship within the national media.

There was a ton that documentary got wrong. The football stuff was tremendous as you said. But the other stuff, not so much. The story that Urban said about how he discovered Tebow and how they recruited him and how he committed was total fabrication. The real story is available. A guy on the staff knew of Tebow and convinced Urban to land him. Tebow hated Dan Mullen, which funny enough, had a lot to do with why he committed there.

They also don't show the aftermath of how Gainesville views him. Sure, he won two titles. I used to travel to Gainesville for work. Those people there absolutely hate him. It's funny because in Columbus, that guy walks on water (all because he never lost to Michigan). He won two titles down there, in the heart of the "football south," and those people hate him for what many of his players did in town while on campus.

Chris Rainey was given a sentimental slot on camera. They failed to share the time he sent his girlfriend a text reading "time to die."

I liked the documentary. I think any football stuff like that is great. But there were a ton of holes in the story. It was basically a PR piece for Urban.

[Chuck Norris]

No doubt. That was the one weakness of it. Most of the key 'bad boys' of the era didn't talk (one is obviously no longer with us in Aaron Hernandez). Not having the Pouncey brothers or Percy Harvin interviewed was a downer.

I did think the behind-the-scenes actual football stuff was fantastic. But, yes, that could have certainly been R-rated. I did read that most of the players (and Urban) only agreed to be interviewed if the topic stayed mostly about football.

It was amazing just to visually see how much Urban aged in those five years. I thought Dan Mullen (then OC) stole the show. I always thought he was kind of a boring personality. He turned out to be the complete opposite. It was interesting to see how the players all got sick of the Tebow worship within the national media.

Yeah, I love the behind the scenes stuff like this, Hard Knocks etc. It’s always funny to see the coaches who look fairly easy going on tv dropping constant f-bombs and acting like lunatics at practice.

I did get a laugh out of Urban talking about his dad and sister being in the military and how much he admired the lifestyle. Of course he didn’t love it enough to enlist himself, he just used it to put college kids through hell. I’m sure that’s a major reason he was a total disaster in the NFL. If you’re gonna treat grown men that way you better have at least walked the walk to some extent (i.e. Tom Coughlin) or they’ll laugh you out of the league.

[IUP24]

Not a calm morning down in Clemson.

Fans want Dabo out after being humiliated by Duke on national television.

Duke's a good team. Mike Elko is a good coach, and the hype they received in the offseason is, for now at least, real. They are fast and aggressive defensively. I'm not entirely sold on Leonard as a pure QB, but he's a gamer and a real athlete at the position. Duke winning that game is good for the ACC. It shows there's other good teams/programs in the conference. The ACC had a fantastic opening weekend.

Florida State ripped up LSU. UNC beat an SEC team that many thought would finish 2nd or 3rd in the SEC East. I don't like comparing conference to conference. All leagues are mostly the same with the exception of a handful of teams. But given the narrative many like to push, showing you have other teams aside from just the one everybody talks about is good.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

It was good even though it kinda skated past a lot of the major issues they had, which you knew it was going to once it was clear that Urban was going to be on camera throughout.

The Urban documentary I want to see someone make is about his (partial) season with the Jaguars. I doubt he’d be speaking on camera in that one.

No doubt. That was the one weakness of it. Most of the key 'bad boys' of the era didn't talk (one is obviously no longer with us in Aaron Hernandez). Not having the Pouncey brothers or Percy Harvin interviewed was a downer.

I did think the behind-the-scenes actual football stuff was fantastic. But, yes, that could have certainly been R-rated. I did read that most of the players (and Urban) only agreed to be interviewed if the topic stayed mostly about football.

It was amazing just to visually see how much Urban aged in those five years. I thought Dan Mullen (then OC) stole the show. I always thought he was kind of a boring personality. He turned out to be the complete opposite. It was interesting to see how the players all got sick of the Tebow worship within the national media.

[Chuck Norris]

Swamp Kings (Netflix) is fantastic. Watch it if you can. It's about the Urban years in Gainesville.

It was good even though it kinda skated past a lot of the major issues they had, which you knew it was going to once it was clear that Urban was going to be on camera throughout.

The Urban documentary I want to see someone make is about his (partial) season with the Jaguars. I doubt he’d be speaking on camera in that one.

[IUPNation]

It's going to get tougher for some of these big boys now that other teams can pay players just as they've been doing in the south for years.

Decades!

[Ship69]

Not a calm morning down in Clemson.

Fans want Dabo out after being humiliated by Duke on national television.

It's going to get tougher for some of these big boys now that other teams can pay players just as they've been doing in the south for years.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Swamp Kings (Netflix) is fantastic. Watch it if you can. It's about the Urban years in Gainesville.

[IUPNation]

LOLOL this kind of crap makes me chuckle. Dabo is probably the best coach for Clemson. Do they think Butch Jones is going to come in there and instantly get them moving?

They had the nice run with Martina Navratilova at QB.