I would imagine that indoors on campus would cover housing. Now, in a room yourself...people likely won't wear them.
But yes...anywhere they go won't require masks...except on campus indoors. Seems pointless.
It's time to put the pandemic in the rear view mirror...and not try to cling to it.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Are they required to wear them in the campus-owned dorms, too?
There won't be a mask seen in town other than those classrooms so what's the freaking point?
However, this article's author does have a reputation for unintentionally making a mountain out of a molehill. He's the only full-time higher ed beat reporter on this side of the state. His daughter attends Edinboro. He sometimes has to go finding stories to write and PASSHE can't block him from getting info (the unions blab & 99% of operations are subject to FOIA). Its possible that someone at IUP tipped him off to this issue (when probed IUP says nothing is final) and he ran with it.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
The being forced to wear masks is the part that might cost students.
I don't get it. So if I'm vaccinated, and the student next to me isnt...why do either of us need masks? I'm protected from them. They're protected from me...but not other unvaccinated people. Same as going to Walmart or any other place.
Now if a bad variant comes out, this might all change.
Are they required to wear them in the campus-owned dorms, too?
There won't be a mask seen in town other than those classrooms so what's the freaking point?
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
What bothers me about the salary...is they are VP positions duplicated at PASSHE who has no students. Then, these people basically get to cherry pick what they work on and let schools make dumb decisions and do their own thing. Then, when the dumb decision is called out...pr says that schools make their own decisions.
Then, why have a VP of <insert name> at PASSHE if the campus VP and President make the decisions?
And ultimately the schools get charged back for these people. If they provided value, it would be a different story.Last edited by Fightingscot82; 06-23-2021, 07:47 AM.
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Originally posted by ironmaniup View Post
The meningitis vaccine requirement is a state law. Covid requirements that are not state law cannot be enforced. They can't even ban carrying guns on campus if you are legally entitled.
At the same time, I'm not sure it will have any real impact on enrollment. Most College age students are not vaccinated, many already had covid, and with the WHO recommending that 18 yr olds not get vaccinated because of an emerging risk of myocarditis, I'm not sure a requirement is something the majority of students and parents would like.
I don't get it. So if I'm vaccinated, and the student next to me isnt...why do either of us need masks? I'm protected from them. They're protected from me...but not other unvaccinated people. Same as going to Walmart or any other place.
Now if a bad variant comes out, this might all change.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostI'm not bothered by how much they make. That's in line with what VPs are paid. They also don't get the perks of the president. If you don't pay market salary, you get bad candidates and/or you have frequent turnover.
I agree that there should have been consistent policy across the system. IUP should also have provided more information to justify their decision. The state says they can't mandate immunization. Fine, but say that. If immunization rates of students and the community are lower than anticipated, say that too. Nothing is secret at these schools so they might as well just give all the information up front.
Then, why have a VP of <insert name> at PASSHE if the campus VP and President make the decisions?
And ultimately the schools get charged back for these people. If they provided value, it would be a different story.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
That's the story below - and its probably going to be similar across the board for PASSHE. The state issued guidance that they can't require students to be vaccinated and thus will require masks in common/group settings on campus. That legal guidance is odd considering that IUP requires meningitis vaccinations for any student living on campus (a waiver is available) https://www.iup.edu/healthservice/ho...eningitis-law/
At the same time, I'm not sure it will have any real impact on enrollment. Most College age students are not vaccinated, many already had covid, and with the WHO recommending that 18 yr olds not get vaccinated because of an emerging risk of myocarditis, I'm not sure a requirement is something the majority of students and parents would like.
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I'm not bothered by how much they make. That's in line with what VPs are paid. They also don't get the perks of the president. If you don't pay market salary, you get bad candidates and/or you have frequent turnover.
I agree that there should have been consistent policy across the system. IUP should also have provided more information to justify their decision. The state says they can't mandate immunization. Fine, but say that. If immunization rates of students and the community are lower than anticipated, say that too. Nothing is secret at these schools so they might as well just give all the information up front.
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A big part of the problem is PASSHE, despite a very highly paid leadership team...doesn't tell these schools what to do. Why not standardize mask wearing? To not wear masks. Why does PASSHE need VPs of a bunch of areas if they aren't going to give guidance? That's such a huge waste of resources. And some of these people make over $200k. Yet Greenstein threatens to dissolve PASSHE...if Integration is voted down.
It's like this for a lot of things. They let each campus do what they want.
And they can claim a victory for the purchasing shared service, but it's been a rough transition. And campuses have had to have other employees start to do some purchasing tasks as passhe doesn't do everything that was done before.
As far as cutting sports...I think the initial take going into the Integration was to do that. Then, they saw that they actually made tuition dollars from it. So they shifted.
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Don't say that too often. They might take you up on it.
My guess is that I may be the senior member on this board, which offers me the perspective of too many decades of witnessing gross incompetence directing the System.
Thank God athletics largely stayed above the level the System could have dragged it into.
This and some excellent (some not all) instructors in various departments were highlights but administrative incompetence overwhelmed them and I fear it still is in control.
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Originally posted by GregD View PostThis is becoming a nightmare. Is there anything else the System schools can do to tell students to go elsewhere?
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This is becoming a nightmare. Is there anything else the System schools can do to tell students to go elsewhere?
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
That's the story below - and its probably going to be similar across the board for PASSHE. The state issued guidance that they can't require students to be vaccinated and thus will require masks in common/group settings on campus. That legal guidance is odd considering that IUP requires meningitis vaccinations for any student living on campus (a waiver is available) https://www.iup.edu/healthservice/ho...eningitis-law/
https://www.dailyitem.com/coronaviru...b89eb84a5.html
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostIUP in the Post Gazette today ... will require masks to be worn in classroom this Fall.
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IUP in the Post Gazette today ... will require masks to be worn in classroom this Fall.
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