PASSHE Institutions Merging

[Fightingscot82]

Thank you for the visuals in this post. Going to watch anything by Stanley Kubrick to cleanse my brain.

[IUPNation]

I'd agree. Gen X parents *in general* swung the opposite direction, being overly involved in their kids lives and providing for their kids what their childhood didn't have. That resulted in a generation expecting mom & dad to help them every step of the way or fixing it when they can't figure it out. Gen X also had fewer kids so very few kids shared a bedroom as a teen, creating the expectation that college should come with a private bedroom. Public showers? Yikes. Group shower rooms without any divide? GTFOH?*

*remember those circular shower setups from the 60s and 70s? Kids these days would soil themselves before using one of those!

[complaint_hopeful]

Listen to the episode of the Malcolm Gladwell podcast where he talks about the US News & World Report college rankings and how much BS they are. He interviews the president of a school at our end of the food chain and what it would take for that school to jump in the rankings. You realize how much of it is just utter sh!te.

Yep. No doubt.

But isn't all marketing that way? Why is a diamond worth 10k? Largely marketing. 300 years ago at weddings, people didn't use diamond rings. It was all an invention of marketers.

Thank you Don Draper!

[complaint_hopeful]

Because our parents left us home alone.

I woke up to an empty house going to school and came home to one. My mom usually got home from work right after me. Kids today would **** a brick having that happen to them.

Yes - There's other interesting things with this generation too. Like they grew up online, but they have no clue what to believe online. Like they fall for phishing messages at a high rate. They read erroneous info and take it as a fact. It's kind of interesting. I wouldn't think this would be the case.

[Fightingscot82]

Listen to the episode of the Malcolm Gladwell podcast where he talks about the US News & World Report college rankings and how much BS they are. He interviews the president of a school at our end of the food chain and what it would take for that school to jump in the rankings. You realize how much of it is just utter sh!te.

[complaint_hopeful]

It's branding largely. Just like any other product.

Is a Kia inferior to a Ford? And a Ford inferior to a Toyota? All branding and perception by consumers. All 3 will get you to work. But, if you feel like a Toyota is better quality than a Kia, you may be willing to pay $5k more for it. Now if a Toyota was twice as much as a Kia, people might go with the Kia.

Most cars are probably 90% similar.

How about Computers? Is a Dell better than a HP? The components might be 95% similar between comparable speeds, etc. It's all branding and perception. Who makes consumers think they're quality?

Penn State just has a better brand than PASSHE.

[IUPNation]

Remember how hot those f-ing dorms were in the late 90s lol ... and then all winter having to keep the window open because the heat was cranked and you couldn't turn it down.

I think the last of IUP's academic buildings with no AC is finally down. I believe Leonard and Keith were the last two. Keith was the history building. In September it would be 95 degrees outside and about 105 degrees inside the room while you listened to an hour of the most boring history class in the world.

[Fightingscot82]

Because our parents left us home alone.

I woke up to an empty house going to school and came home to one. My mom usually got home from work right after me. Kids today would **** a brick having that happen to them.

And the neighbors would call the police and/or CYS and the news on you. My oldest is in 5th grade and we're going to have to force it when I have to go back to work in the office.

[IUPNation]

There are some that blame the parenting style of Gen X...ie helicopter parents for doing everything for their kids and creating 20-somethings that can't do things for themselves.

Because our parents left us home alone.

I woke up to an empty house going to school and came home to one. My mom usually got home from work right after me. Kids today would **** a brick having that happen to them.

[IUPNation]

It's also funny how much those Happy Valley football games have actually helped the school's academic rep and standing.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I'd agree. Gen X parents *in general* swung the opposite direction, being overly involved in their kids lives and providing for their kids what their childhood didn't have. That resulted in a generation expecting mom & dad to help them every step of the way or fixing it when they can't figure it out. Gen X also had fewer kids so very few kids shared a bedroom as a teen, creating the expectation that college should come with a private bedroom. Public showers? Yikes. Group shower rooms without any divide? GTFOH?*

*remember those circular shower setups from the 60s and 70s? Kids these days would soil themselves before using one of those!

Remember how hot those f-ing dorms were in the late 90s lol ... and then all winter having to keep the window open because the heat was cranked and you couldn't turn it down.

I think the last of IUP's academic buildings with no AC is finally down. I believe Leonard and Keith were the last two. Keith was the history building. In September it would be 95 degrees outside and about 105 degrees inside the room while you listened to an hour of the most boring history class in the world.

[complaint_hopeful]

Considering the big picture, when do we find out what the fall enrollment is across the board?

They have a census date...that's about 1 month into the semester I believe. So it won't be for a while.

[Fightingscot82]

There are some that blame the parenting style of Gen X...ie helicopter parents for doing everything for their kids and creating 20-somethings that can't do things for themselves.

I'd agree. Gen X parents *in general* swung the opposite direction, being overly involved in their kids lives and providing for their kids what their childhood didn't have. That resulted in a generation expecting mom & dad to help them every step of the way or fixing it when they can't figure it out. Gen X also had fewer kids so very few kids shared a bedroom as a teen, creating the expectation that college should come with a private bedroom. Public showers? Yikes. Group shower rooms without any divide? GTFOH?*

*remember those circular shower setups from the 60s and 70s? Kids these days would soil themselves before using one of those!

[iupgroundhog]

Considering the big picture, when do we find out what the fall enrollment is across the board?

[complaint_hopeful]

My opinion is that the problem at alot of passhe schools, certainly IUP, is mostly territorial, Admissions, financial aid, the registrar and the academic departments all have to work together, and the organizational scheme is not designed to make that happen easily. since they don't, things fall through the cracks which gives a bad impression to perspective students, or even students enrolled. the groups could still work together, but The number of people just phoning it in is too high, and the number of people that like throwing their weight around instead of fixing things is also too high. Even in the, worst organizational scheme, good people can get things done. I have heard as well, that SRU does better with getting students the information they need more easily.

That's a big part of it. Complacency. Layer on top of that Unions. Poor management in some cases. State subsidy. And actually the success of 15-20 years ago from the education bubble made these schools all think that they were great. I would argue that PASSHE hasn't provided the required support/leadership under most Chancellors too.

I talked about it months ago, but if you called all 14 Admissions offices and enrolled, you would get a wildly different experience from school to school. Some you might get handed off on the phone. You might encounter frustration. Some might be really easy. Some after you enroll, you'll get varying levels of calls and emails...maybe some covering things already done...ie duplication.