PASSHE Institutions Merging

[complaint_hopeful]

They had about 5 Presidents read statements in favor of the consolidation. They've also painted a picture that delaying this further will hurt other non-Triad schools.

Open discussion now.

Interestingly, I feel like the Students may actually be for this more than I thought. I feel like some of the politicians may not be.

I still think it passes. It may pass unanimously.

[complaint_hopeful]

Sometimes when a BOG member asks a question that may be viewed as negative against the plan...Shapira jumps in and answers too I noticed.

But, there are some BOG (particularly the politicians) that are asking questions about concerns. (Mostly about local communities).

[complaint_hopeful]

A Clarion Trustee called in for it also.

[complaint_hopeful]

Wow. Edinboro's COT Chair just called in for the Integration too.

[complaint_hopeful]

But its emblematic of the whole problem with the triads. We're expecting schools that have underperformed on recruiting & retaining students to suddenly reverse course just because they have a new name & shared leadership team. Very little else is changing.

Indeed...and with the same management teams!

I read another comment that was like: Hey, why don't you do a search for new leadership that can run a successful school.

[Fightingscot82]

Retention rates listed for the gang of six.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/ed...s/202107110209

Would be good to also see their Pell percentages too. At one point Edinboro had the second-highest percentage of Pell eligible students. Those are the least wealthy families and the least likely to be able to continue or make it to graduation. Plus grad rate includes transfers, drop outs, fail outs, etc. and excludes part-time, adults, international, and transfers. Its percentage of full-time freshmen who graduate from the same school with 6 years of starting. Most of us know someone who changed their major and it extended their time. There should be an "average time to graduation" metric for schools to report.

The system-wide rates aren't terrible and are pretty much in line with other similar schools elsewhere, public and private.

[Fightingscot82]

I think as I skimmed through batch 3 of the comments that I read a comment for the Integration from a VP there. Basically that the Integration was their best hope to analyze issues and implement some new thinking/strategy going forward.

Yeah their VP of Finance. I was surprised to read that too. Edinboro's case started with strategic whiplash and was compounded by very poor performance in recruiting new students and creating a student experience that kept them there. Worst part is that people on campus know it to be true and feel powerless or voiceless. I believe Edinboro could rebound if they just got people in there to do the job right. The financial problem and the enrollment problems are symbiotic. The housing debt isn't a problem if they figured out how to fill beds. I'd be interested in knowing under the current budget what the "break-even" enrollment would be to end the deficit budgets.

But its emblematic of the whole problem with the triads. We're expecting schools that have underperformed on recruiting & retaining students to suddenly reverse course just because they have a new name & shared leadership team. Very little else is changing.

[complaint_hopeful]

I doubt it. Students are face-value yes men on these things. They are afraid to rock the boat with all the suits around. One of the student members is an Edinboro student. I doubt he votes no. Edinboro has been strangely rosy about this - except faculty and alumni.

I think as I skimmed through batch 3 of the comments that I read a comment for the Integration from a VP there. Basically that the Integration was their best hope to analyze issues and implement some new thinking/strategy going forward.

[Fightingscot82]

So there are what 3 student trustees? Maybe they vote no. Bogle votes no. I think 1 member voted no for the 1st round. So that's potential of 5. But, I doubt all of the students vote No.

So I think there are 19 members as there is 1 vacant seat. So they need 2/3 to pass...so they'd need what 7 against? I don't see 7 people voting against it.

The politicians on the board seem highly for it from what I can deduce.

I doubt it. Students are face-value yes men on these things. They are afraid to rock the boat with all the suits around. One of the student members is an Edinboro student. I doubt he votes no. Edinboro has been strangely rosy about this - except faculty and alumni.

[complaint_hopeful]

Yeah I bet 2 maybe 3 no votes. Bogle and his close contacts. Everyone else in lockstep with the Giant Eagle heiress.

So there are what 3 student trustees? Maybe they vote no. Bogle votes no. I think 1 member voted no for the 1st round. So that's potential of 5. But, I doubt all of the students vote No.

So I think there are 19 members as there is 1 vacant seat. So they need 2/3 to pass...so they'd need what 7 against? I don't see 7 people voting against it.

The politicians on the board seem highly for it from what I can deduce.

[Fightingscot82]

Today is the vote. From what I hear, I'd say some 90% chance this gets voted through.

I hear a lot of people saying that they think this will be delayed, but I don't see it.

Yeah I bet 2 maybe 3 no votes. Bogle and his close contacts. Everyone else in lockstep with the Giant Eagle heiress.

[complaint_hopeful]

Today is the vote. From what I hear, I'd say some 90% chance this gets voted through.

I hear a lot of people saying that they think this will be delayed, but I don't see it.

[Bart]

Retention rates listed for the gang of six.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/ed...s/202107110209

[complaint_hopeful]

Ok. So how much money Clarion Campus will get will be determined by PAW main campus based on what the PASSHE provides to PAW.

For budgets of funds that comes through Tuition and from the State...since there is 1 budget, that will be however the President and Cabinet allocate it.

For fundraising through the Foundations, it's a different story as they are separate entities.

[complaint_hopeful]

we have a war chest worth $300 million over four years.

Chancellor's Blog: July 2021 (chancellorgreenstein.blogspot.com)