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Originally posted by Bart View Post
And if you ever ate in Foster Dining Hall, you can thank me because I worked there.Last edited by iupgroundhog; 10-31-2023, 07:11 PM.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I go back a long time with Bloom, too. The Huskies are sort of in my DNA. Get this, my 4th great-uncle was one of the founders of Bloom. He started the science and math departments in the 1860's. In 1870, when the then president (they might have called him the principal) left abruptly, my forebear stepped in and saved the school from an untimely demise, although he never assumed the presidency himself. True story. So, yes, you can thank me for your undergraduate education.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I have to be honest with you, Bart. If the Bloomsburg community had cried foul as much as the Lock Haven community did at the time, the merger might have possibly been averted. Who knows? Granted, some Bloom folks did. At the time, from what I recall, many of the Bloom constituents perceived the merger as Bloom absorbing two other, smaller schools and becoming the kingpin of PASSHE in the NE/NC part of the state. A lot of people saw it as making Bloom a bigger and better entity. Right, it hasn't worked out that way. Bloom accepted it to a great extent and, I believe, Hanna pushed it. Lock Haven believed they were getting screwed but it hasn't worked out as bad for them as they imagined.
Also, applications for next year are up 22% right now.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
I like to think of myself as a long time supporter of Bloom athletics myself, since 1976.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
Bloom was better off than most SSHE schools before Covid; they were the 3rd largest school in the system. That and geography were probably why they were picked to help prop up the others.
I like to think of myself as a long time supporter of Bloom athletics myself, since 1976.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
No they don't report that out. Media in Pittsburgh had to do a FOIA request to get overall campus-level enrollment for this fall:
California - 2,981
Clarion - 2,034
Edinboro - 2,532
Global Online - 3,758
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
You make good points but Bloom was well on its way to a slide when they got pulled into Commonwealth. As far as sports go, the decline started years before Commonwealth. For athletics, don't go by what I say, ask long-time Bloom supporters (e.g. Blue Jay et al).
I like to think of myself as a long time supporter of Bloom athletics myself, since 1976.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
That's easier said that done, however. Who is really going to buy up those buildings in remote places like Clarion? California is a dump aside from campus.
It's a mess.Last edited by DawgPound; 10-31-2023, 01:22 PM.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Have you been to Slippery Rock?
IUP would be in way worse shape if Indiana was as small as Clymer. The Borough of Indiana is attractive as a place to go to school even with the few incidents of late. I was out in West Chester on Friday night for dinner and you’d thought it was Center City with foot traffic on the streets ..people packing restaurants and bars. It was really nice and students were not the majority but I’m sure they didn’t care and just enjoyed the scene too.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Have you been to Slippery Rock?
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Institutions in the bottom third or 3rd of 4 quartiles always overestimate their ability to change because most were able to grow to their current state without much resistance. But a 30% enrollment increase at an urban school without any parking is laughable and dangerous. Our group is the most susceptible to demographic changes - and the demographic changes are going to get us eaten alive by the schools above us on the food chain. Penn State won't scale down their megalith university; they'll just take more students that were our top end applicants. We've already learned that we can't open up our standards any more.
https://triblive.com/news/point-park...-older-adults/
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Originally posted by IUPNation View Post
I think merging three schools together was too much. Clarion and Edinboro are fairly close together as are Lock Haven and Mansfield. Clarion and Mansfield were the weakest links. Edinboro and Lock Haven would have been the control schools. Maybe merging would have been smoother.
The fact is there are too many schools north of 80. It’s too remote and kids from the suburbs generally don’t want to be stuck on a campus where there is nothing around it.
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Originally posted by IUPNation View Post
I think merging three schools together was too much. Clarion and Edinboro are fairly close together as are Lock Haven and Mansfield. Clarion and Mansfield were the weakest links. Edinboro and Lock Haven would have been the control schools. Maybe merging would have been smoother.
The fact is there are too many schools north of 80. It’s too remote and kids from the suburbs generally don’t want to be stuck on a campus where there is nothing around it.
I think the bottom line for Commonwealth is that it has already happened. Nobody can take it back in time. What helps Commonwealth, in my opinion, is the complementary nature of Bloom and LHU's academic programs, the way all 3 schools are woven into their communities, and the way the triad interfaces with the regional economy. I can't answer whether adding Bloom in was good or bad but it's done and I think Commonwealth has a chance to be a model for these kinds of mergers.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
The loss of degree programs, increased virtual classes, sharing of campus news outlets, identity issues, and more. Bloom's size makes the others look better. Bloom's number is down about -3.71% or 261 students. LHU dropped 244 students or -8.53. Mansfield dropped 480, down -26.77. Yet Bloom gets marked with an 8% drop because of the others. Bloom had a 17% increase in first year students, while Mansfield's first year students dropped 9%, but when everything is averaged under Commonwealth, it doesn't look as bad.
Not to mention Bloom's sports teams have taken a dive under Commonwealth. (funny stuff)
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