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  • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    Not necessarily specific to IUP but most people at PSAC football games are season ticket holders or getting in for free as a student, employee, or donor. Most season ticket holders are hyper engaged locals, hyper engaged football alumni, and parents. Mostly parents. A lot of the adults are there to support someone on the field (player or performer) or grew a connection to IUP football in the days before you had a zillion options for watching sports or really any form of entertainment.

    IUP at least does a few things right. They have a designated tailgate lot, even though they charge more than Penn State by $5/spot. (Penn State lots are $20 if paid in advance - IUP goes down to $50/spot.) They manufactured a rivalry game when the opportunity presented itself. They leaned way into their BSN Nike deal far beyond other schools with similar deals. While the gameday is lacking, they do a great job with social. The only PSAC school I've noticed doing better is Slip. They've also been able to advocate to keep a much larger and much better paid football staff during a time of downsizing elsewhere on campus.

    Unless you're experiencing a Northwest Missouri State or Grand Valley State combination of winning and great gameday experience, you're never going to convince rural Western Pennsylvania to care about football teams that aren't top 25. When Pitt isn't on pace to win 8 or 9 games, nobody goes. The average Western PA schmuck thinks the NCAA divisions are like European soccer relegation.
    I don't know about the Penn State tailgate spots, but you usually have to donate a small fortune to the Nittany Lion Club just to have a shot at season tickets, and the average fan who shows up spends $20 to park in a cow pasture a good distance from the stadium. My brother has spent thousands on tickets there over the years.

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    • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

      Right.

      And, that's the section directly behind the team. That's where they need the best, loudest fans.

      Looking up and seeing fans in their IUP CO-OP gear (sorry Tort) only gets the team so pumped.

      Teams feed off crowds. People have wondered forever why Tort's teams have struggled or looked disinterested inside Miller. How excited to do most people get at a funeral home?

      The most intense I've ever seen a Tort team was up at SRU two years ago. They got heckled on the bus, walking off it, the whole warm-up, F IUP chants ... everything. When IUP took the field right before kick-off, that was one hell of an amped up team. They then clobbered SRU in front of 9,000 -- 8,300 of which were long gone mid-3rd quarter. Here's the other part: IUP travels pretty well up there. Traveling fans are the best, most-engaged fans. Sit them all together (as happens on the road) and they feed off each other.

      Duke basketball could sell its courtside seats for incredible sums of money. Yet, they don't. The students get courtside. Cameron Indoor is probably the toughest venue to play inside in all of basketball. The court is surrounded by so much energy. Now, close your eyes and imagine the home side of Miller Stadium.

      I get 'Section C' donates a ton of money to the program. I'm not saying kick them out ... just move them all up. Give the students (and general admission) the first 10 rows of the home side. I guarantee you'd see an instant atmosphere improvement. It would initially cause a Holy War but they'd get over it.
      It's hard to get the students out to anything at most places these days, but it does make a difference. For some reason (perhaps somebody getting organized), there was a greater student turnout than usual at Ship's quarterfinal basketball game with Lock Haven. The noise level was noticeably higher than usual, and the team appeared to take a cue from it, playing one of its stronger games of the season. Of course we all have problems with the games over student breaks when nobody is on campus. Around Christmas, even the casual fan is probably busy with other activities and not likely to attend. I think the idea of a PSAC team playing some sort of charity game or other event at an off-campus location, such as a large area HS gym, wouldn't be a bad idea. Obviously, arrangements would have to be made to bring this about. It would be a novel event for the community involved and might cause more buzz about PSAC basketball, which most people in my area don't have a clue about. Even if you got only a few hundred to attend, it would probably be more than most PSAC schools draw over the holidays.

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      • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

        I don't know about the Penn State tailgate spots, but you usually have to donate a small fortune to the Nittany Lion Club just to have a shot at season tickets, and the average fan who shows up spends $20 to park in a cow pasture a good distance from the stadium. My brother has spent thousands on tickets there over the years.
        To get the better tickets and tailgate lots, yes. I have a friend who has had 3 seats for decades but he pays the $20 because he doesn't tailgate. Lettermen and Nittany Lion Club gets you presale dates. The latter may be how my friend got his tickets - his family has a car dealership in Mount Joy.

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        • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

          Well, one thing is for certain: Tort had some money to spend this off-season. So, kudos to the program supporters. All these high-profile transfers he's signed haven't come cheap.

          Always remember while the 'check writers' don't take the field, the winning starts there. IUP is very fortunate to have a very loyal, giving core group. A whole lot of (real) money (not discounted blue-light special privates coin) has been spent on this upcoming team.
          Maybe after the Shepherd debacle they finally had enough of 18 years of watching our lunch be taken from us.

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          • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

            Maybe after the Shepherd debacle they finally had enough of 18 years of watching our lunch be taken from us.
            With the Concord OL addition I think they are pretty set up front. The rotation should be very strong. They do get pretty young pretty quickly behind that group, however. Don't forget they also have the stud from UVA-Wise arriving this summer in addition to the Syracuse project.

            WR is loaded. They have three legit, big D2 WR1's on the roster. TE is big and deep. I can't wait to see all the fun they have with the Stetson hybrid TE/FB. That dude is a physical monster. RB 'seems' OK but we'll see. QB is set.

            The infamous all-freshmen secondary from two years ago are all experienced Junior's now.

            The DL from TJ will make his LONG-AWAITED debut (finally).

            Lot of hype.

            Tyrone Fowler also returns on the DL after missing the whole second half last year. He is a scary dude.

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            • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

              With the Concord OL addition I think they are pretty set up front. The rotation should be very strong. They do get pretty young pretty quickly behind that group, however. Don't forget they also have the stud from UVA-Wise arriving this summer in addition to the Syracuse project.

              WR is loaded. They have three legit, big D2 WR1's on the roster. TE is big and deep. I can't wait to see all the fun they have with the Stetson hybrid TE/FB. That dude is a physical monster. RB 'seems' OK but we'll see. QB is set.

              The infamous all-freshmen secondary from two years ago are all experienced Junior's now.

              The DL from TJ will make his LONG-AWAITED debut (finally).

              Lot of hype.

              Tyrone Fowler also returns on the DL after missing the whole second half last year. He is a scary dude.
              Is the FB/TE on board?

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              • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                With the Concord OL addition I think they are pretty set up front. The rotation should be very strong. They do get pretty young pretty quickly behind that group, however. Don't forget they also have the stud from UVA-Wise arriving this summer in addition to the Syracuse project.

                WR is loaded. They have three legit, big D2 WR1's on the roster. TE is big and deep. I can't wait to see all the fun they have with the Stetson hybrid TE/FB. That dude is a physical monster. RB 'seems' OK but we'll see. QB is set.

                The infamous all-freshmen secondary from two years ago are all experienced Junior's now.

                The DL from TJ will make his LONG-AWAITED debut (finally).

                Lot of hype.

                Tyrone Fowler also returns on the DL after missing the whole second half last year. He is a scary dude.
                I hope it’s enough to take down Slimey, Mon Valley U and the Swifties.

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                • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

                  Is the FB/TE on board?
                  Yes, he was one of the first transfers to sign.

                  I think he's going to be kind of a super utility player. He's really big and powerful, but his 6'3" frame likely scared off a lot of bigger programs coming out of high school as most D1s want TEs in the 6'5" or taller range. He's going to be a real load at this level to bring down.

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                  • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                    I hope it’s enough to take down Slimey, Mon Valley U and the Swifties.
                    I'm not sure who the Swifties are, but IUP, Cal, SRU and Shepherd all have new starting QBs. Granted, some (like IUP's) have a ton of D2 experience so while new to the program, they certainly are new to college football.

                    The Coal Bowl is never easy. It's in Miller this year. Cal did lose a lot. But, they reload quickly. They threw in the towel after the IUP loss last year. That was a pretty good team when it was still engaged.

                    The trip to SRU (night game) will not be easy.

                    But, that's looking too far ahead. IUP has three tough ones to start the year (granted, all at home). Ashland will be far from a pushover. East Stroudsburg should be much better this year and Shippensburg is capable.

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                    • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                      I'm not sure who the Swifties are, but IUP, Cal, SRU and Shepherd all have new starting QBs. Granted, some (like IUP's) have a ton of D2 experience so while new to the program, they certainly are new to college football.

                      The Coal Bowl is never easy. It's in Miller this year. Cal did lose a lot. But, they reload quickly. They threw in the towel after the IUP loss last year. That was a pretty good team when it was still engaged.

                      The trip to SRU (night game) will not be easy.

                      But, that's looking too far ahead. IUP has three tough ones to start the year (granted, all at home). Ashland will be far from a pushover. East Stroudsburg should be much better this year and Shippensburg is capable.
                      PSAC East is going to be wide open from the looks of it. West Chester could have a resurgence but lost some really big time guys including Taylor the LB PSAC DPOY, Kutztown lost a lot but always strong and well coached it seems. Maybe ESU has a breakthrough. Shepherd is breaking in a lot of new faces, but should field a very veteran strong D. I think it's safe to say that IUP is a significant preseason favorite at this point for the league title again.

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                      • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                        I'm not sure who the Swifties are, but IUP, Cal, SRU and Shepherd all have new starting QBs. Granted, some (like IUP's) have a ton of D2 experience so while new to the program, they certainly are new to college football.

                        The Coal Bowl is never easy. It's in Miller this year. Cal did lose a lot. But, they reload quickly. They threw in the towel after the IUP loss last year. That was a pretty good team when it was still engaged.

                        The trip to SRU (night game) will not be easy.

                        But, that's looking too far ahead. IUP has three tough ones to start the year (granted, all at home). Ashland will be far from a pushover. East Stroudsburg should be much better this year and Shippensburg is capable.
                        Shepherd are the Swifties, because like Taylor Swift towards every man who says hello to her...they are in perpetual revenge mode (usually against IUP for whatever made up reason)

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                        • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                          Shepherd are the Swifties, because like Taylor Swift towards every man who says hello to her...they are in perpetual revenge mode (usually against IUP for whatever made up reason)
                          GTFOH LOL

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                          • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                            Shepherd are the Swifties, because like Taylor Swift towards every man who says hello to her...they are in perpetual revenge mode (usually against IUP for whatever made up reason)
                            That one might need some work.. Kind of a stretch. I mean, when you have t explain it ...

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                            • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

                              That one might need some work.. Kind of a stretch. I mean, when you have t explain it ...
                              Especially when it comes from a guy who is always talking about a perpetual vendetta against IUP.

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                              • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                                I'm not sure who the Swifties are, but IUP, Cal, SRU and Shepherd all have new starting QBs. Granted, some (like IUP's) have a ton of D2 experience so while new to the program, they certainly are new to college football.

                                The Coal Bowl is never easy. It's in Miller this year. Cal did lose a lot. But, they reload quickly. They threw in the towel after the IUP loss last year. That was a pretty good team when it was still engaged.

                                The trip to SRU (night game) will not be easy.

                                But, that's looking too far ahead. IUP has three tough ones to start the year (granted, all at home). Ashland will be far from a pushover. East Stroudsburg should be much better this year and Shippensburg is capable.
                                Whether Shippensburg is capable remains to be seen. The IUP-Ship game last season often looked like men against boys, and this year's game is at IUP. IF some of Ship's many young players from last year show significant improvement, IF one of the three-headed quarterback monsters from last year is able to establish himself, IF they can find a replacement for Ian Sheehan, and IF they can establish a halfway consistent running game, they might be somewhat competitive with IUP. That's a lot of ifs. Having Newberry, IUP, and Shepherd among our first five games, followed by West Chester and Kutztown, isn't exactly an ideal opening sequence for the Raiders.

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