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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Had that not happened, I doubt IUP would still be in the PSAC. Their level of dominance would have likely resulted in moving up.
Frank didn't grow magic beans. He raised money. Tons of it. When you subtract all the football hyperbole, the game comes down to which team has better players. All that fundraising he did enabled IUP to simply buy better players -- and more of them -- than everybody else.
IUP (and Frank) got punished because he could raise 2x or 3x more coin than everybody else. For a stretch, he was the Yankees in a league full of Pirates and Royals. That money also opened the door to the transfer market (much more rare in that time). Eventually, the peasants overtook the King.
My senior year here IUP had 16-17 former Big East football players on the roster.
Ironically, nobody cried about transfers more than Dr. Evil. Ironically, under the Mini Me regime, SRU now takes more than anybody in the league.
Assume what we're talking about never happens. Whether they would still be in the PSAC or not being mostly irrelevant. Would the KCAC exist? Would IUP basketball be what it is now? Isn't the other thing that Joe has managed to land the bigger fish in town, and more dollars, because those individuals and dollars were available with football being "down?" To a point at least.
It's an interesting April conversation. I would argue that IUP basketball managed to grab the mantle because of how IUP football was neutralized, in a way. That's a long time ago, but it's not THAT long ago. I really wonder if IUP has the basketball program they do if they managed to fundraise and win at the rate that they were back then. The KCAC may not exist either. Joe was on the rise when they built that venue, and it's a fantastic multipurpose facility that gets a lot of run. That said, multipurpose or not, it's the house that Joe built. Same with the Hilton.
I also wonder how with a fully funded program, and a crap ton of extra dollars, that would look in today's game. For the longest time, the appeal for D1 players dropping down a level was to play immediately without having to sit out a year. That was a recruiting advantage for schools trying to land transfers. That exists no longer. Interesting conversation for sure.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I remember being in The Fieldhouse locker room and I don't know what the original question was but Frank's reply was "The way you build a program is to continually recruit better players than what you have." I guess that was his model.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
I'd love to read a book or longform article about Frank Sr adapting the 1970s WVU model at IUP. There is a book out there about Edinboro adopting a Big Ten wrestling model to transition to Division I that is an easy and enjoyable read. Matt Burglund ?
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Had that not happened, I doubt IUP would still be in the PSAC. Their level of dominance would have likely resulted in moving up.
Frank didn't grow magic beans. He raised money. Tons of it. When you subtract all the football hyperbole, the game comes down to which team has better players. All that fundraising he did enabled IUP to simply buy better players -- and more of them -- than everybody else.
IUP (and Frank) got punished because he could raise 2x or 3x more coin than everybody else. For a stretch, he was the Yankees in a league full of Pirates and Royals. That money also opened the door to the transfer market (much more rare in that time). Eventually, the peasants overtook the King.
My senior year here IUP had 16-17 former Big East football players on the roster.
Ironically, nobody cried about transfers more than Dr. Evil. Ironically, under the Mini Me regime, SRU now takes more than anybody in the league.
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Originally posted by Iupgh View PostDr. Evil with a serious clown move in the nineties crying to League office about Frank bringing some notoriety to the League. Probably set the League back if it even recovered at all…just sayin.
Frank didn't grow magic beans. He raised money. Tons of it. When you subtract all the football hyperbole, the game comes down to which team has better players. All that fundraising he did enabled IUP to simply buy better players -- and more of them -- than everybody else.
IUP (and Frank) got punished because he could raise 2x or 3x more coin than everybody else. For a stretch, he was the Yankees in a league full of Pirates and Royals. That money also opened the door to the transfer market (much more rare in that time). Eventually, the peasants overtook the King.
My senior year here IUP had 16-17 former Big East football players on the roster.
Ironically, nobody cried about transfers more than Dr. Evil. Ironically, under the Mini Me regime, SRU now takes more than anybody in the league.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Frank owned Dr. Evil. Their head to head record wasn't even close.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Frank owned Dr. Evil. Their head to head record wasn't even close.
IUP won every game from 1984 through 1996.
Then Dr, Evil got his returns from the IUP Rule and got McKavish and ripped off 3 straight victories before IUP ended that crap with the playoff win in 1999 and won every meeting through 2005.
Then it kind of went back and forth but nobody has run off a long streak.
IUP wins in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2016, 2017, 2020 and 2021
Slimey wins in 2006, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2018 and 2019.
So since I enrolled in IUP in 1984...we are 27-11 vs the Fighting Gym Teachers.
IUP leads the series 48-39-2.
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Originally posted by IUP Crimson Hawk View PostGreat article in the Indiana gazette on the knew big time transfer Quarterback. I did not realize that Karst Hunter has two years of eligibility remaining as well.
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Originally posted by IUP Crimson Hawk View PostGreat article in the Indiana gazette on the knew big time transfer Quarterback. I did not realize that Karst Hunter has two years of eligibility remaining as well.
Edit: Come to think of it the QB article and the other article are separate articles.
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Great article in the Indiana gazette on the knew big time transfer Quarterback. I did not realize that Karst Hunter has two years of eligibility remaining as well.
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Originally posted by IUPNation View Post
For all of his talk about IUP, Dr Evil didn’t have such a good record vs us. His success came in spurts.
Frank flipped the series in favor of IUP by beating them for over a decade straight!
Frank owned Dr. Evil. Their head to head record wasn't even close.
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Originally posted by IUPNation View Post
For all of his talk about IUP, Dr Evil didn’t have such a good record vs us. His success came in spurts.
Frank flipped the series in favor of IUP by beating them for over a decade straight!
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
If Tort goes 3 straight that's a big thing. It hasn't been done too many times in the series.
They get juiced for that trip. All those jackass gym teachers get real excited when the big team visits.
Frank flipped the series in favor of IUP by beating them for over a decade straight!Last edited by IUPNation; 04-09-2023, 05:35 AM.
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