Facilities Upgrades

[ctrabs74]

When they finally do it ... no freaking track.

Check out Ashland. That's the perfect D2 stadium.

Haven't been to Ashland, but I'd have to give Grand Valley the nod here.

[EastStroud13]

GVSU has the better stadium in a vacuum, but that's the very upper end of D2. It's more of a FCS stadium for a program that happens to be in D2.

[WarriorVoice]

Imagine having a job for over 40 years because you went like 60-2 vs 2 teams that inflated the resume.

As if EVERY school in the West is a powerhouse...Please. Look up a few facts...

[IUPNation]

As if EVERY school in the West is a powerhouse...Please. Look up a few facts...

I did. Denny was about .500 overall if you take away his yearly wins over Cheyney and Mansfield.

Frank beat everyone. It’s why Denny sabotaged him.

Facts.

[Fightingscot82]

GVSU has the better stadium in a vacuum, but that's the very upper end of D2. It's more of a FCS stadium for a program that happens to be in D2.

They're an upper FCS athletic department that happens to be in D2. Everything at GVSU is best in class. Indoor full field practice facility. FBS level team facilities. G5 level revenue. Hell, they've got a links style golf course on campus. I'm still bummed I couldn't make the trip when Edinboro played there.

[WarriorVoice]

I did. Denny was about .500 overall if you take away his yearly wins over Cheyney and Mansfield.

Frank beat everyone. It’s why Denny sabotaged him.

Facts.

But for every Cheyney and Mansfield in the East, the West had plenty of 0 and 1 win teams...Myopic as usual...You see only what you WANT to see...

Here's the information, for everyone to see...
https://static.psacsports.org/custom.../fbhistory.pdf

[Ram040506]

But for every Cheyney and Mansfield in the East, the West had plenty of 0 and 1 win teams...Myopic as usual...You see only what you WANT to see...

Here's the information, for everyone to see...
https://static.psacsports.org/custom.../fbhistory.pdf

He's not disputing that point Warrior... in comparison of the 2 coaches, Frank beat everyone and Denny was leading a more average program. Denny happened to inflate his record over 50 years, when in reality the program was .500 over his tenure. I get that you all claim he was a super guy, which is great. But facts are he was on average about 6-5 every year.

[EastStroud13]

It's also a faulty point logically. Those Cheyney and Mansfield programs were typically many leagues worse than the worst of the PSAC West. When they happened to cross paths, usually the worst of the West would beat the worst of the East handily.

Douds did a lot for the program, but anyone who doesn't think his W-L record is inflated is kidding themselves.

[Ship69]

It's also a faulty point logically. Those Cheyney and Mansfield programs were typically many leagues worse than the worst of the PSAC West. When they happened to cross paths, usually the worst of the West would beat the worst of the East handily.

Douds did a lot for the program, but anyone who doesn't think his W-L record is inflated is kidding themselves.

It became pretty obvious when Cheyney had to drop out, and we basically added Shepherd in its place. For most of the Eastern teams what had been a sure win even if you were having an off year suddenly became a probable loss. And a drop in the level of play at Bloom and Ship in the past few years, coupled with a decline at West Chester, has only made the difference more stark.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

It became pretty obvious when Cheyney had to drop out, and we basically added Shepherd in its place. For most of the Eastern teams what had been a sure win even if you were having an off year suddenly became a probable loss. And a drop in the level of play at Bloom and Ship in the past few years, coupled with a decline at West Chester, has only made the difference more stark.

It was time for change at WCU.

That could (should) be a sleeping giant.

[WarriorVoice]

He's not disputing that point Warrior... in comparison of the 2 coaches, Frank beat everyone and Denny was leading a more average program. Denny happened to inflate his record over 50 years, when in reality the program was .500 over his tenure. I get that you all claim he was a super guy, which is great. But facts are he was on average about 6-5 every year.

Whatever!! Frank Cignetti feasted on bad teams in the West, just like Denny Douds did in the East. To say otherwise is dishonest. The numbers don't lie. The lack of wealth in the West was spread out a bit more than in the East. Even Cal had at least 1 0-win season and several 1-win seasons when Frank was at IUP.

[Ram040506]

Whatever!! Frank Cignetti feasted on bad teams in the West, just like Denny Douds did in the East. To say otherwise is dishonest. The numbers don't lie. The lack of wealth in the West was spread out a bit more than in the East. Even Cal had at least 1 0-win season and several 1-win seasons when Frank was at IUP.

Nobody is disputing that both leagues had a couple bad teams to feast on. Difference is beyond those teams that both feasted on, Douds was barely .500 and Frank continued to win. Can't argue facts.

[IUPNation]

But for every Cheyney and Mansfield in the East, the West had plenty of 0 and 1 win teams...Myopic as usual...You see only what you WANT to see...

Here's the information, for everyone to see...
https://static.psacsports.org/custom.../fbhistory.pdf

I already calculated his record a long time ago. His winning percentage is due to only losing twice to Cheyney and Mansfield. Frank was an actual
powerhouse.

[IUPNation]

It became pretty obvious when Cheyney had to drop out, and we basically added Shepherd in its place. For most of the Eastern teams what had been a sure win even if you were having an off year suddenly became a probable loss. And a drop in the level of play at Bloom and Ship in the past few years, coupled with a decline at West Chester, has only made the difference more stark.

The divisions are better balanced these days..now we just need to upgrade from Mercyhurst.

[IUPNation]

Whatever!! Frank Cignetti feasted on bad teams in the West, just like Denny Douds did in the East. To say otherwise is dishonest. The numbers don't lie. The lack of wealth in the West was spread out a bit more than in the East. Even Cal had at least 1 0-win season and several 1-win seasons when Frank was at IUP.

Frank>Denny

He feasted on East Dennyburg 33-0 and got a nasty gram across the scoreboard from the losers in the booth,