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It seems that how each school arranges their schedule would have a lot to do with it. Currently CAL U has spring classes running from 2/1-5/3 and if BB began start of January PSAC could play 20-25 game schedule through early March probably just division H/A and some crossover. Then maybe an abbreviated conference playoff and national tournament. If play reaches the tournament, with or without fans, it seems unlikely that eligibility will be altered. Really, who knows. This is all wild speculation. Put your mind back a year. Could you think of any scenario aside from WW III that would cancel '20 D2 football season ?
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Just guessing here because the NCAA can step in at any time and "adjust/interpret" any of their policies to mean what ever they want them to be at any time. For DII, athletes are given 10 total semesters and 4 varsaty seasons. The really key thing is that for basketball, they consider a season that actually spans part of two semesters to be one season for eligibility purposes. So...In a normal year a player will use two of his 10 semesters and one of his four seasons. Here's the just guessing part...This year, teams that practice before the begining of the second semester will use one of their 10 semesters while teams that wait until after the beginning of the semester to practice will not. Weather a team choses to play actual games in the first semester or waits to play all their games in the second semester, they will still count as one of their four playing seasons.
So what effect will this have on a team? Truthfully, not much. There may be a player or two (or 10 across the DII landscape) that can gain an "extra" playing season, but that probably won't be too impactful. Effectively, a coach would have to chose to tank the 2020/21 season to "stockpile" players. Here's how it could work at WLU (or any school):
Dalton Bolen, Luke Dyer and Marlon Moore will be Senior this year. If coach looked at his roster and decided that having those 3 play in 2021/22 along side now seniors Malik McKinney, Will Yoakum and Pat Robinson...Along with a now game hardened bench would set up a potentially killer team, he could do that. BUUUUTTT...That team would come at a potentially tough 2020/21 season.
So for the sake of discussion, how would a 2020/21 WLU team do made up of:
Malik McKinney
Bryce Butler
Will Yoakum
Evan Conley
Quinn Hiles
Pat Robinson
Owen Hazelbaker
Zach Rasile
Luke Powell
Elijah Watson
Ben Sarson
Who would be the first wave and who would be on the second wave and more importantly, how many games would they win??Comment
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In d1 football everyone gets an extra year, whether they play or not. So a freshman could play all 10 games And it would be the same as a redshirt. 5th year senior would get a 6th year.
have no idea if d2 is considering this for basketball but if they made this decision Dalton, Luke and Marlon could play thus year and next. Lots of unanswered questions at d1 and d2 - increase scholarships for next year? How to divide time - 3 waves?Comment
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I'd guess they follow the D1 model. However, money will make things complicated down here in the bus leagues.Originally posted by Columbuseer View PostComment
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Basketball has its own set of Covid headaches to overcome. Many area's have major restrictions on 'indoor' events. Most are limited to 25 people.Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post
Start subtracting:
4 coaches
3 officials
?????3-4 on press row
That leaves 14 players (7 per team).
Now, Joe Lombardi would say business as usual but most teams play more than 7 guys. I suppose players 8 and up could be in the lockerroom.
I had a little hope of a basketball season a couple weeks ago. Now, I have next to none.
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As it stands right now at least from the NCAA's prespective, basketball is unaffected. There are some colleges/conferences that have self limited themselves until the spring semester. And even many of those teams/conferences are planning on playing a schedule that will get them NCAA tourney eligible. If that is the case, why would the NCAA give players an extra season of eligibility??Originally posted by Columbuseer View PostComment
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I guess the NCAA can wait a while. My understanding, from the D1 football perspective only, regarding the rationale for the extra year:Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
1) They wanted players to have no penalty if they did not feel safe in playing.
2) Post season playoffs were cancelled (basketball tourney is still on, as far as I know)
3) The teams that are postponing to the spring could put players at potential disadvantage in terms of workouts for pro team, draft, etc.
To be fair, they made the year not count toward eligibility, regardless of whether one played or not.
Although no decision has been made, It would seem that D1 football will have to increase scholarship limit beyond 85 to least 100-110 to accommodate the extra players next year. Also creates log jams for playing time, I would think.
I could only envision NCAA considering it for D2 basketball, if players opt out for safety reasons, significant conferences postpone season beyond Jan 1, and NCAA tourney is cancelled.
Right now, MEC says no competition before Nov 1.
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We are setting up a situation were a player effectively can be spending eight years at a college...Traditional redshirt year, all or part of four years (with an injury shortened season), injury redshirt year, Covid year and then final year!Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
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They better leave with a doctorate in something.Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
Some kids are already 22 or 23 years old. Many will just opt to hang it up get started with their careers, etc.
The 'log jam' mentioned above would have a huge impact on D2 -- the land of money not falling off trees. Schools will get real creative in finding money -- academics, etc. But, donor money typically is what it is. I don't think the traditionally fully-funded programs will suffer much. They have huge followings (by D2 standards) and can likely rally the core boosters to give more. That said, there aren't many 'haves' in D2 ... many more 'have nots'.Comment
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Brings up another issue that we don't really focus on, academic progress. NCAA requires that athletes meed certain credit and degree progress numbers to maintain athletic eligibility. The process is supposed to result in graduation in five years. They are going to have to regigger the rules now that there will be a 4 year glut of athletes that have now been given an extra year. Do athletes now have 5 years of "on-field" eligibility and 6 years of total eligibility? Do they ever go back to normal? For every peak there is a trough...teams are going to have a glut of players next year (driven by Seniors who stay for their extra year then the 2020 AND 2021 freshmen classes)...will there be a trough in 2025? As you say, the D1 financial haves will be able to absorb the cost of increased scholarship athletes +the cost of equipping and training them but that is highly questionable for almost any DII program. For example, if you increase a typical team from 100 players to 125 that is 25 extra practice uniforms a team has to purchase...25 extra uniforms that have to be cleaned every day...25 extra players in a locker room that was probably already full with 100 players. If the NCAA permits DII's to have 45 (13 "extra" scholarships), that is a cost and at least in WV, that is a cost that is born exclusively by donors (no state funds for athletic scholarships).Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostComment
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Just an fyiOriginally posted by boatcapt View Post
tony caridi on sportsline podcast on wvmetronews.com interviewed Crutchfield today. Apparently, both head coaches of celtics and heat have reached out to crutchfield about basketball. Celtics flew him up to boston. Crutchfield mentioned how egoless yet brilliant both NBA coaches are. Good interview. Crutch is a humble guy.
it is in the last segment of the show.
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Hahahaha...Have you ever heard of a lower tier coach when asked about a higher tiered coach saying, that guy is an egotistical bas*ard!Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
It would be an interesting thing to watch Crutch running Celtic practice for a couple of days and then give his assessment of who the starting 5 should be!!Comment
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Might be worthwhile for you to listen to interview. It did not come across as disingenuous on Crutchfield's part. One indicator of lack of ego is the coaches were open about talking to him- no top secret meetings.Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
Meeting was written up in Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/celtics...ld-11600165275
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Have you ever known Crutch to sound disingenuous about anything? I mean, he could make you truly believe he was worried about playing a 1-20 team that struggled to score 70 and couldn't play defense!Originally posted by Columbuseer View PostComment
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Did you not just define disingenous? That is saying something that you don't believe and making it sound like you believe it. Prequisite for being a successful career politician.Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
Crutch is truly a gentleman and classy guy. He also has great integrity and shows respect for the opponent before and after the game (good sportsmanship). Snarky comments are just not his nature.
IMHO it is not disingenous to say that bad teams can beat WLU and do pose a threat (ala WV Wesleyan last year).
IMHO disingenous would be saying a bottom feeder D2 coach is the next John Wooden.
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