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  • Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

    As we learned in the first round of the NCAA tourney, WVSU is not a team you want to draw in a one-and-done tourney.
    Nobody wants to see them sitting on that #7 or #8 line in tournament play. If they do get in, they'll be a potential giant-killer sitting with an unassumingly low seed.

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    • Wlu 44 uc 24 end of 1st half

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      • Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
        Wlu 44 uc 24 end of 1st half
        They are just in their head. Charleston shouldn't crap their pants like this every time they see WL. But, they do.

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        • final wlu 94 uc 77

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          • Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
            final wlu 94 uc 77
            The women pulled the upset as well. WLU was down 18 at one point in the 2nd quarter and beat Charleston in OT. Nice win for the ladies!

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            • Frostburg at home 88 -83 over Glenville. Gsu Down 84-83 , gsu fouls on rebound. Gsu coach comes onto floor and does lame bo Jackson impression by breaking clipboard over his knee. Two shot technical plus 2 fts gives Frostburg 88-83 lead with 9 secs left, ceding game to frostburg.. Which gsu team shows up on wed to play wlu?

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              • Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
                Frostburg at home 88 -83 over Glenville. Gsu Down 84-83 , gsu fouls on rebound. Gsu coach comes onto floor and does lame bo Jackson impression by breaking clipboard over his knee. Two shot technical plus 2 fts gives Frostburg 88-83 lead with 9 secs left, ceding game to frostburg.. Which gsu team shows up on wed to play wlu?
                Like WVSU, Glenville is another one of those MEC teams that you look at their roster and how they play sometimes, and you scratch your head. When they are on, they can beat anyone...but when they aren't on, they lose to the likes of Frostburg and AB. Another MEC team you wouldn't want to meet in a tourney (MEC or NCAA). My hope is that WVSU and Glenville are on the other side of the MEC tourney bracket!!!

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                • FYI NCAA stats west liberty as of Feb 5 2023 after UC Game

                  Improving in FT%.
                  Improving in turnovers per game, which is amazing given the pace of play and additional possessions.
                  Decline in rebound margin as taller, longer teams have focused more on rebounding as part of their strategy.


                  1st- 3pt attempts per game 33.8 Nova SE is #37 at 25.9
                  1st- Assist to turnover ratio 1.92 Nova SE is #4 at 1.73

                  1st- 3pt made per game 12.9 Nova SE #15 at 10.6

                  2nd - assists per game 23.0 nova se is #1 at 23.1
                  2nd- scoring 99.8 Nova SE is #1 at 106.7

                  3rd -Turnover margin 7.5 Nova se is #1 at 10.7
                  3rd- Forced turnovers 19.5 Nova se is #1 at 24.05
                  5th - Steals per game 10.6 Nova se is #1 at 12.7
                  5th - Scoring margin 18 Nova se is #1 at 29

                  22nd - FG % 49.23 Nova SE #2 at 52.49%

                  33rd - 3 pt % 38.22 Nova SE #5 at 41.07%

                  34th - Offensive rebounds per game 12.32 Nova SE #3 at 14.81
                  53rd – Turnovers per Game 12.2
                  117th - FT % 72.58
                  165th- Rebound margin 0

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                  • Well, that was a forgettable first half. That first half might have been the worst I've seen WLU play. Glad they figured it out in the locker room at halftime and got out of there with a win.

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                    • A Dummy's Observations on WLU at WVSU 2/1/23 WLU 102 – WVSU 97
                      WVSU Strategy
                      • WVSU has recruited far and wide to find tall, long, fast players, who are great 3 pt shooters and excellent 1 on 1 players. As a result, they can be a very dangerous team.
                      • Play man to man defense
                      • Minimize Turnovers
                      • Be aggressive in attacking the rim on 3 on 2 breaks against the press. Keep spread out to prevent set up of trap on second pass. Try to get behind the defense for long pass against the press.
                      • Against the press, focus on intermediate to long passes against the press
                      • When players close out on the wing to contest the 3 pt WLU shot, they are to sprint out toward their goal, so that WVSU can throw over the press in transition for the open layup
                      • Exploit WLU on switches, where smaller defenders are guarding their taller players
                      WVSU had some success in implementing their strategy
                      • At the beginning of the game, WVSU was sprinting down the court in transition, getting open looks. They were sagging in the middle to stop Bryc and others, but their length still allowed them to run out to contest the shot from the wing or corner. Few WLU had that critical 6 pt spacing between opponent and shooter that is important for high % shooting.
                      • However, after the first 7 to 10 minutes, WLU was intercepting their intermediate passes against the press. For the game, as a free safety, Cannady had 5 steals .
                      • For the half, they committed 12 turnovers, of which 8 were steals.
                      • As the half wore on, fatigue was causing WVSU to be much slower on the close outs.
                      WLU Observations
                      • For the game the WLU team shot an effective FG% to 62% to 58% for WVSU (who made many layups).
                      • A key factor was hitting 21 of 28 free throws, and 11 of 12 in the last 6 minutes when we could not buy a field goal.
                      • Good defense. WLU forced 20 turnovers, while only committing 8.
                      • Running the WVSU team by the 1st and 2nd platoons had a cumulative effect of tiring them, leading to unforced turnovers.
                      Areas for Improvement
                      • A fundamental aspect of defense is to always be able to peripherally see both the ball and your opponent at all times. Some WLU players lose that defensive positional angle, which opened them up for back door cuts.
                      • Similarly, at the back of the press, WLU naturally will cheat up toward the half line. However, against WVSU, WLU cannot afford to be even one step behind the opponent, as they are just too fast, and WVSU is willing to throw an accurate long pass unless it is a very tight window.
                      • Some players are galloping, but not sprinting back on defense when the press is broken and there is a 3 on 2 situation. You cannot do this against WVSU. They are too fast. Many times, there is time to cover the open opponent before the pass is made for an open shot or layup. if they would sprint back. It is obvious on the film.
                      • Some players need work on their running form. Some are leaning forward with their arms pumping too far ahead of their body. If they have the track coach just work on body lean and arm movement, they could probably add 6 ft to their distance covered on a 70 ft sprint in the press. Against WVSU, this could be an important factor.

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                      • A Dummy's Observations on UC at WLU 2/4/23 WLU 94 – UC 77
                        UC Strategy
                        • UC is a very well-coached team that runs primarily set plays in the half-court. Their goal was to slow the pace of the game.
                        • UC has recruited a relatively tall team, who can play both inside, outside and drive to the basket.
                        • Be conservative in attacking the rim after breaking the press.
                        • Shoot the ball well, FG, 3s, and FTs.
                        • Minimize Turnovers
                        • Compete for rebounds and limit second shots by WLU
                        • Exploit WLU on switches, where smaller defenders are guarding their taller players
                        UC had some success in implementing their strategy
                        • They minimized turnovers. UC had 13, WLU had 11.
                        • Shot well – 3s UC 35%, WLU 43%; FG uc 46% WLU 53%; FT UC 77% WLU 80%
                        • Rebounds were close – UC 31 WLU 36. They limited to 9 Offensive rebounds out of 33 possible, or 27%. Decent job.
                        • They played WLU relatively even, for most of the game.
                        WLU Observations
                        • For the game the WLU team shot extremely well. WLU had an effective FG % of 60%, while UC had 51%. WLU also got 9 more shot attempts
                        • Good defense. WLU forced 8 steals out of 13 turnovers, for 61% live ball turnovers.
                        • Running the UC team by the 1st and 2nd platoons had a cumulative effect of tiring them, eventually leading to turnovers.
                        • A deciding factor in the game was a blackout that occurred in 3 minutes between 14:15 and 11:09. The score went from 7-7 tie to 23-9.
                        • There were very few fouls called for the majority of the half, starting at the beginning of the game. The result was very few stoppages for UC to get their breath, other than media timeouts. The ratio of the wall clock time to the scoreboard clock stayed between 1.7 and 1.9, which is an incredibly fast pace. For most other games, the ratio is well over 2:1. IMHO, that contributed to UC’s extreme fatigue, which led to easy WLU shots. One could tell by the way UC walked at the end of the 1st half that they were gassed.
                        • WLU is sharing the ball really well – 21 assists and only 11 turnovers for Assist to turnover ratio of 1.91. They would have had more assists, but UC was allowing drives to the basket due to heavy legs or steals by WLU.
                        Areas for Improvement
                        • A fundamental aspect of defense is to always be able to peripherally see both the ball and your opponent at all times. Some WLU players lose that defensive positional angle, which opened them up for back door cuts.

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                        • A Dummy's Observations on WLU at Glenville 2/8/23 WLU 82 – Glenville 70


                          Summary:
                          IMHO, the WLU style of play and the incredible effort that it demands from its players won this game. For a traditional half-court team, this is the type of game that is typically a loss- poor shooting while opponent’s shooting is red-hot. In the second half, WLU turned the pressure up to the boiling point. The second platoon is critical to this approach, even if they don’t change the points margin, as they ratchet up the pressure, while the other platoon rests. Eventually, the opponent cracks from the continuous mental and physical stress.
                          WLU had a 28-point turnaround, from a 15-point deficit to a 13-point lead, in a 23-minute span on the opponent’s home court. Impressive.

                          GSU Strategy
                          • GSU has recruited far and wide to find tall, long, fast players, who are great 3-point shooters and excellent 1-on-1 players. As a result, they can be a very dangerous team. They have beaten very good teams (Fairmont twice, most recently a week ago), but lost to very average teams (at Frostburg 4 days ago).
                          • They have 3 6-6 athletic guys and two outstanding guards in Turbo Smith and Word. Yow at 6-6 has great leaping ability. Have two 6-6 guys collapse on Bryce inside to disrupt his rhythm.
                          • Shoot the 3 effectively. They have 6 players who average over 35% from three. Scott is 44% from 3.
                          • Minimize Turnovers.
                          • Be aggressive in attacking the rim on 3 on 2 breaks against the press.
                          • Put a tall guy on Zach Rasile to limit his threes.
                          • On a switch where smaller WLU guards defending 6-6 guys, take them to the rim.
                          • Limit WLU’s offensive rebounding.
                          GSU had significant success in implementing their strategy, at least in the first half
                          • GSU players have no qualms in taking contested threes. In the first half, they hit 5-8 for 63%. Scott was red-hot, having 19 points in the first half.
                          • They only had 7 turnovers, to 5 for WLU.
                          • Their effective FG % was a blistering 65%, compared to 43% for WLU.
                          • At the 10-minute mark, GSU held a 1-point lead. But over the next 5 minutes, GSU could not miss from three and WLU was missing typically easy shots. By the 4:51 mark, the lead was 15 at 37-22.
                          • However, GSU had reason to be concerned. They were playing at the breakneck pace of WLU, and playing their starters too long at an intense pace, while resting them only 2 minutes, due to insufficient bench depth. They were getting a step slow on defense. In less than a minute, WLU had cut the lead to 10. A fluke last second basket at the buzzer allowed GSU to enter halftime with an 8-point lead at 43-35.
                          WLU Observations
                          • WLU played like it was a tie game with 2 minutes left for the entire second half. Finally, WLU tied the game with 10 minutes left.
                          • GSU was getting a step slow on defense and WLU was getting layups even in the half-court offense and getting run-outs in transition. GSU starting fouling, with Egan (tall at 6-6) and Scott (who was unconscious from three) picking up their 4th foul with 9 minutes left and WLU was attacking them.
                          • The game seesawed back and forth for the next 5 minutes.
                          • At the 5:30 mark, WLU led 69-68. That is when the fatigue of GSU, caused by the cumulative effect of both platoons’ relentless pressure and movement, reached the tipping point.
                          • In the next 2.5 minutes, WLU outscored GSU 10-0, to take a 79-68 lead. NBA threes that swished in the first half, were air balls or hitting the backboard now. GSU scored only 2 points in the last 5.5 minutes, resulting in a final of 82-70.
                          • For the game, GSU shot much better than WLU and well above their 3pt % (FT% was slight advantage for WLU)
                            • FG: GSU 52% WLU 42%
                            • Threes: GSU 43% WLU 24%
                            • FT: GSU 54% WLU 57%.
                            • Normally, these stats would indicate a victory for GSU against a traditional half-court team, as they would not have committed as many turnovers, or become as tired.
                          Keys to the victory
                          • WLU increased pressure, but did not resort to hero ball – they stayed within the system
                          • WLU defense – WLU has 10 players who put incredible pressure on opponents for 40 minutes.
                          • WLU has 4 shutdown small guards, who more than compensate for their height disadvantage. When their opponent’s legs get heavy, their quickness allows them to score easily.
                          • GSU was slow to close out on 3 pt shooters in the 2nd half, allowing for non-contested threes. It also reduced their FT %.
                          • WLU got 20 offensive rebounds, or 46%, which is incredible and shows the effect of fatigue. GSU only got 5 offensive rebounds or 16%, which shows they were resting on offense or out of position.
                          • WLU forced 20 turnovers, of which 9 were steals, for a stellar 45%. Besides leading to scoring in transition, live ball turnovers do not let the opponent rest and creates chaos.
                          Areas for Improvement
                          • Need to improve FT shooting (might have been due to fatigue)
                          • Need to avoid doubling down low for too long and leave another opponent open for an easy layup. When opponent starts to pick up the ball, help defender must retreat rapidly to cover the interior passing lane.
                          Last edited by Columbuseer; 02-10-2023, 12:28 PM.

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                          • Wasn’t Concord’s night

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                            • Wlu sets national dII record. 12 different players made a three in one game, breaking the old record of 10 (which wlu shared with other schools).
                              Congrats to WLU on incredible display.
                              threes 20-35 57%.
                              31 assists on 48 fgs 65%
                              effective fg % 72%


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                              • Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
                                Wlu sets national dII record. 12 different players made a three in one game, breaking the old record of 10 (which wlu shared with other schools).
                                Congrats to WLU on incredible display.
                                threes 20-35 57%.
                                31 assists on 48 fgs 65%
                                effective fg % 72%

                                I broke down and looked it up. West Liberty is the first NCAA D2 team with 12 3-point shooters in the same game so they now hold the record but the old record was actually 11. Hillsdale had a regular-season game with 11 players making a three during COVID - the same year WLU beat them in the Sweet 16. UC-San Diego had 11 3-point shooters the year before that. The Division I record is 9, held by multiple teams, while the D3 record is 19, set by Grinnell against one of their bible school buddies.

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