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Originally posted by IUP24 View PostPeople don't show up to D2 games because people don't want to. It's that simple. It's not complicated. Like what was posted above, nobody identifies themselves with D2 schools. You think Grand Valley State football fans pull for the Lakers first? Above Michigan or Michigan State? Come on.
This topic of discussion has been going on for years on the PSAC Football side of the board. The fact is that people don't care. You'll never win a discussion with anybody that's not a religious D2 viewer when comparing products.
Consider this, the people on this message board are their respective schools biggest fans. And what, there's a handful of the same posters from the same schools that are frequent posters here. That tells you all you need to know.
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Are DII's going to always struggle to put butts in seats? Yea, most of the time they will. Bust it seems like most DII athletic departments have given up and have decided there is just nothing they can do.
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Originally posted by IUP24 View PostThe fact is that people don't care. You'll never win a discussion with anybody that's not a religious D2 viewer when comparing products.
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People don't show up to D2 games because people don't want to. It's that simple. It's not complicated. Like what was posted above, nobody identifies themselves with D2 schools. You think Grand Valley State football fans pull for the Lakers first? Above Michigan or Michigan State? Come on.
This topic of discussion has been going on for years on the PSAC Football side of the board. The fact is that people don't care. You'll never win a discussion with anybody that's not a religious D2 viewer when comparing products.
Consider this, the people on this message board are their respective schools biggest fans. And what, there's a handful of the same posters from the same schools that are frequent posters here. That tells you all you need to know.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post"... rest of their game is often superior"
Huh? Low-end D1 is similar to, say, Top 15 D2. Top-end D1 teams would blow top-end D2 teams out of the arena.
Put up this year's Fairmont up against NC or Gonzaga. They lose by 40. Maybe more. Or WL vs WVU ... same result.
You may see the occasional miracle but the best D2 teams would 'maybe' be .500 in even the Horizon League. The jump is extreme ... especially to the P5.
We're all D2 fans but most of these guys are in D2 for a reason. The size, speed and depth would just wear D2 teams down very quickly.
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I don't trust DII attendance figures. WLU basketball is a prime example. I've been to games were it is very close to standing room only...official attendance in the box score the next day showed 500 people! There also doesn't seem to be any consistency with what a school counts as attendance. I recall a WVIAC school a number of years ago that reported attendance in the neighborhood of 5000 per game...that seemed to fly in the face of pictures of the stand which were largely empty (no where near 5000!). Turns out they were counting tickets given to a local fast food chain that were given away as part of a meal purchase.
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[QUOTE=Columbuseer;2041026]Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post"... rest of their game is often superior"
Huh? Low-end D1 is similar to, say, Top 15 D2. Top-end D1 teams would blow top-end D2 teams out of the arena.
Put up this year's Fairmont up against NC or Gonzaga. They lose by 40. Maybe more. Or WL vs WVU ... same result.
You may see the occasional miracle but the best D2 teams would 'maybe' be .500 in even the Horizon League. The jump is extreme ... especially to the P5.
We're all D2 fans but most of these guys are in D2 for a reason. The size, speed and depth would just wear D2 teams down very quickly.[/QUOTE
I agree with your statement on the elite d1 teams with great coaches. I just gave examples of non bottom d1 teams losing in exhibition. Iowa was 3rd in big 10 and finished #25 in AP. The advantages of d1 teams are undeniable. The vulnerabilities of some d1 teams are: they don't value every possession. They often don't play great team defense to teams who rotate the ball rapidly. D2 team needs to have a great 3pt shooting night to offset the dunks.
Pure speculation but I think many d1 fans think there is a huge gap between ANY d1 team and even the best d2 teams. and maybe they don't attend for that reason. Thinking that listing victories might help at least for top d2 teams. Probably a long shot.
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[QUOTE=IUPbigINDIANS;2041004]"... rest of their game is often superior"
Huh? Low-end D1 is similar to, say, Top 15 D2. Top-end D1 teams would blow top-end D2 teams out of the arena.
Put up this year's Fairmont up against NC or Gonzaga. They lose by 40. Maybe more. Or WL vs WVU ... same result.
You may see the occasional miracle but the best D2 teams would 'maybe' be .500 in even the Horizon League. The jump is extreme ... especially to the P5.
We're all D2 fans but most of these guys are in D2 for a reason. The size, speed and depth would just wear D2 teams down very quickly.[/QUOTE
I agree with your statement on the elite d1 teams with great coaches. I just gave examples of non bottom d1 teams losing in exhibition. Iowa was 3rd in big 10 and finished #25 in AP. The advantages of d1 teams are undeniable. The vulnerabilities of some d1 teams are: they don't value every possession. They often don't play great team defense to teams who rotate the ball rapidly. D2 team needs to have a great 3pt shooting night to offset the dunks.
Pure speculation but I think many d1 fans think there is a huge gap between ANY d1 team and even the best d2 teams. and maybe they don't attend for that reason. Thinking that listing victories might help at least for top d2 teams. Probably a long shot.
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"... rest of their game is often superior"
Huh? Low-end D1 is similar to, say, Top 15 D2. Top-end D1 teams would blow top-end D2 teams out of the arena.
Put up this year's Fairmont up against NC or Gonzaga. They lose by 40. Maybe more. Or WL vs WVU ... same result.
You may see the occasional miracle but the best D2 teams would 'maybe' be .500 in even the Horizon League. The jump is extreme ... especially to the P5.
We're all D2 fans but most of these guys are in D2 for a reason. The size, speed and depth would just wear D2 teams down very quickly.Last edited by IUPbigINDIANS; 04-03-2017, 07:48 PM.
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I wonder how D2 can pump up the attendance? They have a really good product in basketball, both in coaching and in team play, if the top teams in the MEC and PSAC are any indication.
If you ignore the the fact that the players are not quite as tall or quick as D1, the rest of their game is often superior.
The prices are much more family friendly.
Maybe advertising D2 victories over D1 teams in exhibition? I think a lot of folks think there is a huge drop off between D1 and top D2 schools.
Augustana beat Iowa in Nov 2015 (year they won national title).
Thomas Acquinas blew out St. Johns by 30 in 2015.
Findlay beat ohio State in 2006? (the season BEFORE findlay went unbeaten and won the national title). OSU had no answer for Marcus Parker a great point guard, who was just a little short for D1.
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Originally posted by KnightStalker View PostActually a few years ago BU did some upgrades to the seating that brought capacity down to 2200 which means capacity of 78 percent. But to add to your point, Davenport is out on various sports radio programs promoting BU each week and along with social media he pushes to get Knights Hall full. Actually think that if it wasn't for scheduling quirks this year (the good non-conference games were all on the road) the average attendance would have been much higher.
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Originally posted by ctrabs74 View PostBellarmine ranked seventh in D2 in home attendance (1,721 per game; Knights Hall seats 3,000, so that's a capacity of 57.38 percent).
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Originally posted by TheBigCat2192 View PostAnecdotal obviously, but based on my time at Bloomsburg this doesn't really hold up. BU's worst season was 7-4, they won the PSAC once, played in the PSAC title game a second time, went to the playoffs three times (and two of them were home games), and the stands were still regularly half-empty. The only exceptions were usually homecoming and Parent's Day.
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Originally posted by Layton View PostStudents will never come to football games unless they start winning
Anecdotal obviously, but based on my time at Bloomsburg this doesn't really hold up. BU's worst season was 7-4, they won the PSAC once, played in the PSAC title game a second time, went to the playoffs three times (and two of them were home games), and the stands were still regularly half-empty. The only exceptions were usually homecoming and Parent's Day.
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Won't for long. Doyle resigned to be director of enrollment
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