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[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Yea...at the end of the season the chalk line was IUP vs WLU in the regional final. If you go by seeding, WLU finished were they should have (#2 in the region)...Just that the Regional Final loss was to a different team than projected!

I'm still not convinced Mercyhurst was better than either IUP or WL. IUP went 2-2 against them this year. But, there's no doubt, that weekend they were better -- and Manchel out-coached both Joe and Ben.

After seeing Mercyhurst beat both of them in person at the Regional, neither IUP or WL made enough in-game adjustments. IUP couldn't speed the game up (or make a shot) and WL wouldn't come out of that press (which killed them as it was totally ineffective). Add to it Mercyhurst really hit its stride at the perfect time.

That whole Regional field last year was superb and extremely even. Consider Mercyhurst needed OT to beat Fairmont State in Round 1. WL easily could have lost the ESU and VSU games. IUP struggled with West Chester. There wasn't a huge difference between 1-8. That was probably the most even field of 8 I've ever seen at the Regional.

Mercyhurst just had IUP figured out by that fourth meeting.

[boatcapt]

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Yea...at the end of the season the chalk line was IUP vs WLU in the regional final. If you go by seeding, WLU finished were they should have (#2 in the region)...Just that the Regional Final loss was to a different team than projected!

[IUP24]

Not so for WLU. There were many question marks heading into last season and they were super young. Not that they should have been sub 500 but they certainly were not projecting to get to the regional championship game. Getting to the NCAA tourney and MAYBE winning a first round game was what most of us projected...basically get a year of experiencing and seasoning before a big push starting this year and next year.

Second year HC...replacing 3 of their top 4 scorers...leader who was a second year player playing with one eye...tallest player being 6'5"...senior sharp shooter with a bum leg that kept him out for the first half of the year...light scoring PG who was backed up by a senior returning from cancer...two first year starters in the starting line-up...topped off by a JUCO transfer that refused to play within the WLU system and "left the team" after 13 games. Expectations were about as low starting last season as they get at WLU.

[IUPalum]

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If we can just keep from having all our shooters go cold the same night we are playing a dominant big man, we should be ok...That and keep from playing any teams playing a Box and one defense!!!!!!

Box and one? Who played that?

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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You guys would fit in perfectly with the IUP football crowd. They, too, have never lost a game. They either just play bad or run out of time.

[boatcapt]

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Good points boat. I watched some highlights of McKinney and Robinson and they had bodies more like d1 guards. Thought hill was a great player but his slight build caused problems, especially on defense at times.
There are some intensely high motors on this team in addition to talent. Hope the new guys are in shape. LOL
Sorry about hijack. Will post on wlu thread

If we can just keep from having all our shooters go cold the same night we are playing a dominant big man, we should be ok...That and keep from playing any teams playing a Box and one defense!!!!!!

[Columbuseer]

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Oh yea...He earns his "stripes" in other ways, just not scoring. Heading into last season we really had only one proven scorer (Bolon) and our starting five averaged 29.7 PPG total the previous season. For comparison, this coming year our top 5 returners (4 starters and 1 second 5 player) averaged 48.9. With Boswell (15.9 PPG), Patrick Robinson (18.7 PPG) and Malik McKinney (11.2 PPG) coming in, from a scoring standpoint, that's a pretty stout top 8...94.7 PPG coming in without any scoring from any other player. To get back to this seasons average of 100.7 PPG, we would need a collective 6 PPG from Sophomore Alesandro and a combination of which ever true Freshmen play this coming season.

Of course, that's assuming there are no production dips. But all in all, it's a pretty good feeling to have almost 100 PPG in proven performance coming back!!

Good points boat. I watched some highlights of McKinney and Robinson and they had bodies more like d1 guards. Thought hill was a great player but his slight build caused problems, especially on defense at times.
There are some intensely high motors on this team in addition to talent. Hope the new guys are in shape. LOL
Sorry about hijack. Will post on wlu thread

[boatcapt]

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Lots of offense at WL. Boswell actually was at 17.3 his sophomore year on 11.8 shots accordingly to WJ website. So only need 4.6 pts collectively from others instead of 6 haha.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out...only one basketball and only 40 minutes in a game!!!! Maybe the 10 players can each average 20 minutes and 10.5 PPG!! Sounds funny but last season 8 players averaged 15+ minutes per game and two others averaged over 10!

We seem to have hijacked an IUP thread to talk about WLU's insane scoring! MYBAD!!! Please, return to you discussion about transfer players from Niagara!!

[Dirtybird]

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Lots of offense at WL. Boswell actually was at 17.3 his sophomore year on 11.8 shots accordingly to WJ website. So only need 4.6 pts collectively from others instead of 6 haha.

[boatcapt]

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True but when u look at advanced stats he has a major influence on game. Assist to turnover ratio top 15 in nation. Amazing rebounder for size as well as steals. Very very smart player who is a warrior. Very good defender despite his size.
Often put on other teams best guard regardless of size. Critical to teams success.
We have plenty of scorers so I would not trade him. He also gives up good shots for others.

Oh yea...He earns his "stripes" in other ways, just not scoring. Heading into last season we really had only one proven scorer (Bolon) and our starting five averaged 29.7 PPG total the previous season. For comparison, this coming year our top 5 returners (4 starters and 1 second 5 player) averaged 48.9. With Boswell (15.9 PPG), Patrick Robinson (18.7 PPG) and Malik McKinney (11.2 PPG) coming in, from a scoring standpoint, that's a pretty stout top 8...94.7 PPG coming in without any scoring from any other player. To get back to this seasons average of 100.7 PPG, we would need a collective 6 PPG from Sophomore Alesandro and a combination of which ever true Freshmen play this coming season.

Of course, that's assuming there are no production dips. But all in all, it's a pretty good feeling to have almost 100 PPG in proven performance coming back!!

[Columbuseer]

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Not so for WLU. ...light scoring PG ...

True but when u look at advanced stats he has a major influence on game. Assist to turnover ratio top 15 in nation. Amazing rebounder for size as well as steals. Very very smart player who is a warrior. Very good defender despite his size.
Often put on other teams best guard regardless of size. Critical to teams success.
We have plenty of scorers so I would not trade him. He also gives up good shots for others.

[Columbuseer]

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Not so for WLU. There were many question marks heading into last season and they were super young. Not that they should have been sub 500 but they certainly were not projecting to get to the regional championship game. Getting to the NCAA tourney and MAYBE winning a first round game was what most of us projected...basically get a year of experiencing and seasoning before a big push starting this year and next year.

Second year HC...replacing 3 of their top 4 scorers...leader who was a second year player playing with one eye...tallest player being 6'5"...senior sharp shooter with a bum leg that kept him out for the first half of the year...light scoring PG who was backed up by a senior returning from cancer...two first year starters in the starting line-up...topped off by a JUCO transfer that refused to play within the WLU system and "left the team" after 13 games. Expectations were about as low starting last season as they get at WLU.

Well said boat. Amazing season. Great sr leadership and coaching.
Still disappointed over wasted opportunity by Watson. Too much pride to realize he was a one dimensional player and how much he had to learn. He had a rare gift for scoring but nearly 30% of his possessions were turnovers! Had he bought in he would have been a more athletic French without the injury limitations. And he would be playing in Europe imho.

Reminded me of teddy buckets from wvu.

[boatcapt]

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Call it a hunch but I think this will be the year they run in to each other in March.

Both stacked for next season.

We'll see...long season with many twists and turns. I think both teams will be very good and a meeting in the Regional finals could be in the offing. Of course there couldl be plenty of teams in the MEC, CIAA and PSAC that have built really good teams and we just don't know about them...yet!!

[boatcapt]

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We all thought that this year too...


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Not so for WLU. There were many question marks heading into last season and they were super young. Not that they should have been sub 500 but they certainly were not projecting to get to the regional championship game. Getting to the NCAA tourney and MAYBE winning a first round game was what most of us projected...basically get a year of experiencing and seasoning before a big push starting this year and next year.

Second year HC...replacing 3 of their top 4 scorers...leader who was a second year player playing with one eye...tallest player being 6'5"...senior sharp shooter with a bum leg that kept him out for the first half of the year...light scoring PG who was backed up by a senior returning from cancer...two first year starters in the starting line-up...topped off by a JUCO transfer that refused to play within the WLU system and "left the team" after 13 games. Expectations were about as low starting last season as they get at WLU.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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We all thought that this year too...


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If Joe can avoid any zone defenses ...